I dont like talibans but like the fact that they are showing the middle finger to the superpowers!!!
and you are going to ignore what they are doing to Pakistan/common-people?
My Question remain unanswered!!!
With all the powers MQM have . are they incapable of tackling the issue or they are elected by the people to just point fingers and do nothing about it???
Careful, lets think about it. We know army, ranger, law and enforcement agencies failed against these extremist groups. They failed in Swat and frontier. We did not have the success we hoped for, whether it was Musharraf's military's regime or PPP's elected government. I think the reason is that agencies who are involved in fighting these elements, have had mixed loyalties. I really beileve that information is leaked to these groups, before we get there.
Mqm is an elected party, enjoys not only good support from masses in Karachi, but also has deep controls, the very kind you need, to stemp such groups out. There is a fear, in current situation, we may see a division, even within families, where some people support religious groups against MQM. We know we don't want this, but such is a power of religion. It gets tricky, because religious groups do have a base in karachi, somewhat marginalized by MQM, waiting to come out.
I think MQM can do it, and I really hope it does not turn ugly. We need best minds to come together, and workout a plan. At the end of the day, we want a stronger MQM, to prevent the city falling into the wrong hands, but it should be done smartly and with surgical precision.
I think MQM can do it, and I really hope it does not turn ugly. We need best minds to come together, and workout a plan. At the end of the day, we want a stronger MQM, to prevent the city falling into the wrong hands, but it should be done smartly and with surgical precision.
Not really, we want stronger law enforcement, stronger intelligence which can control illegal activities.
Re: The rise of the Taliban, the fall of Karachi
Give MQM the status of a federal agency and give it the same resources and MQM will do a 5000% better job than ISI/army combined.
You know why? There is no conflict of interest in the MQM over what to do with talib/lashkar types.
Oh that funny bunny baitullah mehsud. what a cutie pie 
You know why? There is no conflict of interest in the MQM over what to do with talib/lashkar types.
There is no conflict of interest? Taliban are keen on securing mines of emerald, gem-stones, dacoit-loot money in cities like Karachi, so is MQM interested in money from big corporations (remember tobacco demand of Rs 2 crore in early 90s?), bhatta from street etc. So there is big conflict of money with Taliban. For this reason MQM might have success, but why would you give a ethnic political party a federal agency status? That would be a disaster.
Re: The rise of the Taliban, the fall of Karachi
I was replying to whoever it is that said if mqm controls karachi (it doesn't as much as people like to think), they should control talibs.
And there would be no conflict of interest over ideology or mixed feeling on how to treat the talibs.
Not really, we want stronger law enforcement, stronger intelligence which can control illegal activities.
agreed, but that should be backed by people, and must have their trust. One way to achieve it, is to throw the elected party behind it. In case of karachi, its MQM, just like in lahore, you would need PMLN.
agreed, but that should be backed by people, and must have their trust. One way to achieve it, is to throw the elected party behind it. In case of karachi, its MQM, just like in lahore, you would need PMLN.
No, enforcing law shouldn't need "people's backing" of sorts. Law needs to be equally enforced on everyone, if it becomes political (MQM/PML-N backed) then political elites will never be punished for million dollar crimes while poormen will get punished for stealing a bread. Law enforcement and judiciary needs to be free of political "support" or govt interference.
No, enforcing law shouldn't need "people's backing" of sorts. Law needs to be equally enforced on everyone, if it becomes political (MQM/PML-N backed) then political elites will never be punished for million dollar crimes while poormen will get punished for stealing a bread. Law enforcement and judiciary needs to be free of political "support" or govt interference.
We are not talking about white collar crimes. For that I would agree with you, it must be non-political.
But this is a different ball game. Here you are facing an enemy, who uses religion, and says many things, that many local people believe in or partly agree with. To take action against such groups, you MUST require people's trust. In such actions, lives are lost, and could easily result in a political fallout. Not to mention the propoganda from such groups themselves. It is sensitive and very tricky to say the least. Lets say your local masjid imam is involved, in helping or hiding such criminals (i know of such story). What would be people's reaction in that community, if he was imam there for decades. You got to get people's trust, else people will think you are working on america's behalf. I hope you get the picture.
well i read the article on monday i guess and it seems it was written more due to immaturity, fear and frustration than facts...
now coming to the topic firstly i dont see there is any chance of taliban taking over karachi no way they cant sustain it, even if they destroy MQM they would have to face population from interiors of sindh who would never want to loose karachi, their supplylines would be cut and they would be marginalized.
now to be very frank i dont think there is much of difference between MQM and taliban both are fascist and two sides of same coin.
and also we are not living in perfect karachi but karachi where criminals rule and does it make much of difference, furthermore i would like warn MQM if they really want to make sure taliban ideology not to come to khi then they better try to do something about street crimes as they are part of GOVERNMENT if these continue to rise people would accept anything to get rid of that menace and to be very frank these arent done by pathans only although i had been robbed once and those guys were pushtoons and it seems criminals have free ride doesnt matter which ethnicity they belong to.
but after the episode of the white corolla case and mr hajiyano who is sindhi by the way i am seriously considering keeping a weapon with myself specially when with the family, reason i am saying considering is it has risks as well sometime you make a move on petty issues or in rage which you shouldnt have.
furthermore what i would like to tell these MQM supporters you are best at making a fuss, making a mountain out of a mole and you are targeting pushtoon in the name of taliban that if God forbid taliban took over khi you would see those wont be just pushtoon but majority of them would be locals therefore stop your bull crap and concentrate on law and order side and dont let it become a ideology acceptable to people because their security is at stake.
by the way what happened in lahore doesnt mean taliban control it but it means they can strike and now matter how many pushtoos mqm kick out of khi taliban would still be able to do that kind of thing...
We are not talking about white collar crimes. For that I would agree with you, it must be non-political.
Million dollar crime doesn't mean it can be a white collar only. Refer to a dacoity in bank branch where robbers cut thru the safe using welder's tools.
But this is a different ball game. Here you are facing an enemy, who uses religion, and says many things, that many local people believe in or partly agree with. To take action against such groups, you MUST require people's trust. In such actions, lives are lost, and could easily result in a political fallout. Not to mention the propoganda from such groups themselves. It is sensitive and very tricky to say the least. Lets say your local masjid imam is involved, in helping or hiding such criminals (i know of such story). What would be people's reaction in that community, if he was imam there for decades. You got to get people's trust, else people will think you are working on america's behalf. I hope you get the picture.
All these mullah parties have the easiest justification "justice/injustice", once law is enforced on all equally nobody would question an operation against someone like Taliban but for that all political parties will lose a lot.
Re: The rise of the Taliban, the fall of Karachi
^ is it possible, for gov to take strong "bloody" action against these groups, and not risk a political backlash. Mullahs are against photographs but will use them for their own propoganda. Corpses pictures will circulate the internet and media, imagine that. Sooner or couple of weeks later, people's sympathy will be directed to those, who are fighting for their "faith". You will hear things like "their method is wrong, but basically they are right". We don't have what it takes to say NO to mullah, and elected governments have to worry about the next election, so they would not want people on their bad side.
Re: The rise of the Taliban, the fall of Karachi
^ Exactly, we still hear how "1,000 babies were killed in lal masjid" believed 100% by some members of the public.
^ is it possible, for gov to take strong "bloody" action against these groups, and not risk a political backlash. Mullahs are against photographs but will use them for their own propoganda. Corpses pictures will circulate the internet and media, imagine that. Sooner or couple of weeks later, people's sympathy will be directed to those, who are fighting for their "faith". You will hear things like "their method is wrong, but basically they are right". We don't have what it takes to say NO to mullah, and elected governments have to worry about the next election, so they would not want people on their bad side.
It is possible for a govt to take strong bloody action without political backlash ONLY if they trust the government. People will have confidence in the government when they will believe in justice system, law enforcement because they would know any lie by government will be punished by the law.
Careful, lets think about it. We know army, ranger, law and enforcement agencies failed against these extremist groups. They failed in Swat and frontier. We did not have the success we hoped for, whether it was Musharraf's military's regime or PPP's elected government. I think the reason is that agencies who are involved in fighting these elements, have had mixed loyalties. I really beileve that information is leaked to these groups, before we get there.
Mqm is an elected party, enjoys not only good support from masses in Karachi, but also has deep controls, the very kind you need, to stemp such groups out. There is a fear, in current situation, we may see a division, even within families, where some people support religious groups against MQM. We know we don't want this, but such is a power of religion. It gets tricky, because religious groups do have a base in karachi, somewhat marginalized by MQM, waiting to come out.
I think MQM can do it, and I really hope it does not turn ugly. We need best minds to come together, and workout a plan. At the end of the day, we want a stronger MQM, to prevent the city falling into the wrong hands, but it should be done smartly and with surgical precision.
I think u missed the point here!!!
MQM is in govt. they are calling shots...
May it be City Govt., Governor Ship, Stake in Provincial Govt. and Stakes in Federal Govt.
Having these powers, MQM ministers have a say in Law-Enforcement Agencies, they can appoint officers with good reputation at high places, give them freedom to KILL the crime and criminal minds without getting into racism, give them liberty to build their team to counter terrorism and equip them with latest technology to get all these things done.
And if their partners, i.e. PPPP, does not allow them to do so, take a stand and resign from the govt. atleast then they can say that, they tried it when they were in govt. and when they were not listened, they resigned... this is just a suggestion, iam MQM knows how to put pressure on their partners to get what they want...
Just sitting in London and crying about SINDH DHARTI will not solve any thing, it will increase the problems... we need to be talking about PAKITAN-DHARTI rather then any particular city or province.
Currently the situation is, that police is not able to arrest thugs who are robbing people in the ATMs despite having their pictures.. and this is because these thugs belongs to govt parties or the police are not well equipped/trained to tackle these thugs and/or corrupt officers of Police are directly benefiting from each robbery...
There is a Hadees in Sahi Bukhari - It is the first hadees of Bukhari, it says ( interpretation ) success of the task is based on intentions.
Re: The rise of the Taliban, the fall of Karachi
The MQM (or PPP or PML-N for that matter) does not control what the ISI and army actually do.
MQM is in govt. they are calling shots...
May it be City Govt., Governor Ship, Stake in Provincial Govt. and Stakes in Federal Govt.
Yes, It is MQM's responsibility to save Karachi from mullah. Forget intentions, they will be judged by the results. We all want MQM to root out millitants from Karachi ... right? ? ?
Yes, It is MQM's responsibility to save Karachi from mullah. Forget intentions, they will be judged by the results. We all want MQM to root out millitants from Karachi ... right? ? ?
No, we want govt to do it, if MQM is in government then they must do it, in next round if PPP or PML-N/JI (miraculously) come in govt then they must do it.