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Originally posted by Qaasim:
Saadia and Heart Heat: Are you guys being funny or both of you are serious about saying Halal Prom and Halal Music. Never heard of these terms before
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what do u think?
Earlier Sadiaa said...
<<...let's not forget 'halal music (nasheeds)' and no mixing of brothers & sisters.>>
do u think a prom can actually take place with literally guys and girls not mixing up!!!! isn't that what prom is all about!!
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Originally posted by lost:
That's sooooooo streotypical. But then again, she lives in NY. I've never been to NY. But from what I've heard from people, and what I see on TV, I think it'a a safe bet that most of the US is not like NY.
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Bla bla bla
To me this whole post is full of contradictions and sounds like the author does not even know what he/she is saying and has been LOST anonymously......
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An example of what it means would be, say you live on the coast, and there is a hurricane in the ocean. You hope that it won’t hit your city, but at the same time you prepare by buying canned food, batteries, radios, bottle water etc. and you would tape up windows, plan on getting away from the beach.
Brenda
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!
Halaal Prom is totally possible , Saadia ji.
you dont need to drink alcohol to qualify yourself as a prom attendant.
you dont need to have sex in order to qualify youself as a prom attendant
you dont need a date of the opposite sex in order to qualify yourself as a prom attendant.
you dont need a strapless body tight dress to classify yourself as a female prom attendant.
healthy association between girls and boys is not haraam. That's mullahism. You may certainly have conversation with the opposite sex. If you think this is haraam, that is an entirely different topic. But to deny human men and women to converse with one another is ridiculous, becuz then you get many many desperados, and the behind doors , more than talking goes on.
You dont have to dance with the opposite sex to classify yourself at a prom. You dont even need to dance at all. Just sit it out and chill with your muslim or non-muslim conservative friends at a table.
After-parties (where most unIslamic activities occur) dont need to be attended either.
Halaal Food - most schools have Jewish students and vegetarian students who do not eat meat. If you organize yourself you can even have a halaal or kosher menu. If you're too lazy to even attempt that, then eat the non-meat entrees.
I'll be glad to answer any more questions on how to have a halaal prom!
PCG: Thanks for your reply...
I've also read a lot of fatawa on intermingling of the two sexes. The majority says that you shouldn't interact unless necessary. (If you want, I can find an article on it)
I can tell you for a fact that most of sheikhs/scholars following the creed of Ahlus-Sunnah-Wal-Jammah have told us not to listen to music.
We're told not to even go near drinking and other activities that are considered Haram. Even when you're not taking part in them. We're still forbidden from attending any such gatherings.
Again, this is what I've read and understood.
May Allah (SWT) forgive me if I'm wrong.
"I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)"
(11:55-56)
"...Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds" (6:162)
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Originally posted by Qaasim:
** Sorry dear, you got me wrong, I was not talking about monopoly of any faith, I was talking about the restrictions which have been implemented by the faith of Islam. My question is if any faith (other than Islam) does not put any restrictions on the use of alcohol, sex (out side the marriage) and drugs then how it could be morally and/or religiously harmful? Again, I am not talking about the society pressure or the laws of the countries.
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Well i'll have to give u an award of knowing other religions so well!!!
How did it enter ur mind that all other religions except for Islam did not ban alcohol or pork etc? Well i can say for sure that it is not in jewish or christian beliefs...although they don't abide by it because as far as christians are cocerned they believe that a man can't remember his name rite now, saw jesus in dream who said that there are no restriction.
BUT the true religion, doesnot profess that They are allowed.
Now As for in islam.It is not allowed because it has more harms than its benefits. It is allowed if used in small quantity for medical purposes.
2ndly if u drink alcohol then it is most probable that u won't pray. And prayer is obligatory upon all muslims so if u don't pray and want to enjoy a few moments drinking...well then only Allah can help u, because by not praying u r spoiling ur own hereafter.
As far as fornication or adultry is concerned....well do u really think it is a healthy practice?
Islam is a practical religion..it is not based on whims. I mean just imagine what will happen if it wasn't disallowed...same what is happening in USA...single mothers...children left in daycares and often left in orphanages...they are not even sure that who the father is...do you really still think this is what society should be like?
Okay apart from effects on society...these practices also effect ur religious duties too. And anything that is coming in the way of carrying out Islamic injuctions is haram.
what kinda stupid f**** discussion is this?
halal prom? you on crack?
Better to die 1000 times in glory than live without honor-Louis VI
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Originally posted by enchanted:
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Well i'll have to give u an award of knowing other religions so well!!!
How did it enter ur mind that all other religions except for Islam did not ban alcohol or pork etc? Well i can say for sure that it is not in jewish or christian beliefs...although they don't abide by it because as far as christians are cocerned they believe that a man can't remember his name rite now, saw jesus in dream who said that there are no restriction.
BUT the true religion, doesnot profess that They are allowed.**
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enchanted: I HAD a question about how prom could have been harm for the non-muslims as well but due to some reasons this question of mine was taken as comments.
I feel sorry to say that you understood my post wrong again. I am not a scholar on any religion and neither an active student of any of the religion other than my own faith (very beginer learner).
anyway, I was looking some good discussion where it could be explained in details with examples that this practice could harm to any one regardless of the religion they follow.........
I hope I made myself clear this time......
okay well i didn’t read ur first post.. my mistake
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now of course it is harmful for both non-muslims and muslims…Allah has not made them different. They fall for the same deseases and are cured by the same medication. there is no chemical or physical difference in their making that if one thing is harmful for a muslim kid it won’t be harmful for a non-muslim kid.
Now as far as proms and stuff are concerned i dunno much abt it as i don’t liv in US. I liv in Pakistan and we have farewell parties and nothing of the sort happens as described in the initial post. BUT if the things mentioned in the post do happen as i am sure they do they ofcourse harm both the communities. Do u really think alcohol and fornication won’t do a non-muslim any harm? of course it would do…why?
because these are little little things which change our outlook towards life. I won’t go into detail that just how…i think u can do that urself…just think abt how it does.
Ofcourse according to our belief they are going to go to hell…but i don’t like to believe it because
Allah has stated in Quran that Christians, Jews and muslims who do good and follow their scriptures their reward is with their lord. So if non-muslims are doing this stuff, it will of course be harmful to their health and would effect their hereafter.
Just watched an episode of Howard Stern last night, The topic was a high school guy won a contest that awarded him a date to the Prom with a Pron Star! His Mother was right there on the set encouraging him all the way!
There you go, In America you are free to be as Moral or as immoral and ignorant as you want to be.
mike: thats what makes america america, and toiletstan toiletstan
Better to die 1000 times in glory than live without honor-Louis VI
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Originally posted by PyariCgudia:
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my friend just went recently, and she wore a desi outfit (all covered up), she didn't dance with guys but she danced with her female friends, and then she went out to a party at her friends house which was completely conservative.
If you want to have a halaal prom, you can.**
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Question: even if she didn't dance with guyz, even if she was covered up..wasn't the fact that your friend was dancing in a mixed gathering more than enough to justify that it wasn't right???
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Originally posted by PyariCgudia:
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mullahism??...where did that come from?? please define mullahism.
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we've had many threads on the mingling of men and women and how today that is unevitable and necessary if you want a job, a career, friends, and a place in society.
I dont think that, esp in a place like America where Muslims are living with people of other religions, that mingling of sexes in avoidable. Its not something that should be avoidable. Now lets all be honest. Of all of us participating and reading the posts, who of us really really does not TALK to someone of the opposite sex at least once in their life with matters that are not necessary to discuss, like "May I have my paycheck now o boss ji?"
As long as the talking doesn't become flirting and you know how to be mature with the opposite sex, which is a trial indeed and makes you the better person after experiencing it, then its no problem really. The whole lowering your gaze thing is for the purpose of minimizing sexual tension in the community. But, today, with the strong influence from western movies and sex culture, its totally impossible to expect a girl or a guy to grow up, not talking to the opposite sex without a business purpose, and expect him to be socially normal and not engaging in sexual activities behind closed doors. And even if he/she manages to do that, they're not going to function normally in a marriage.
Let's stick to the topic (PROM). Do you think it is necessary for Muslims to go there when we're told to stay away from fitna as much as possible?
"I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)"
(11:55-56)
"...Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds" (6:162)
Sorry Saadia..I just couldn’t resist
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It is totally possible to work in an environment where there are both genders present. If you restrict your discussions with members of the opposite sex to that of business, you should have no problems. If you make sure that they are aware of your religious beliefs and that mixing for non-business matters is not allowed (ie..going for lunch etc etc), itz all good. Trust me, I’ve done it, both of my parents do it and so do many other people I know.
If they can make it work..why can’t everyone else? I don’t think it’s a matter of not being able to do it…itz more like DO YOU WANT TO DO IT?
But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition. al-Qur’an 47:2
Hinna: I don’t mind at all.
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You could’ve continued your discussion in here. It’s just that I completely fail to understand why is it so important for us Muslims to attend proms and other such gatherings especially when we’re told to stay away from fitna.
Btw… I totally agree with you!
“I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)”
(11:55-56)
“…Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds” (6:162)
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You know..sometimes I think parents don’t have a clue as to what their kids are doing. I’ve seen things with my own eyes..and I KNOW that the parents of these people have no idea what their seeda saada, bhola bala kids are doing.
On the other hand..some people know what’s going on..and frankly they don’t give a ratz arse about it because they are not religiously inclined. What amazes me is that these same parents complain when their kidz start drinking or having boyfriends/girlfriends…itz like WAKE UP AND SMELL THE HARAM!!
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But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition. al-Qur’an 47:2
LOL!
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I’d leave the parents alone. I’m sure most of the parents do teach their kids something as to where the boundary lines are. They probably don’t do a good job enforcing’em, but I’m sure they all teach their kids something at an early age. Besides, by the time we’re in our mid/late teens, we’re AND should be held responsible for our own actions.
Your argument’s also valid, but you can’t change someone unless he/she is willing to change him/herself.
“I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)”
(11:55-56)
“…Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds” (6:162)
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True dat!
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Alhamdulilah, I’m just glad Allah swt gave me 4 very amazing parents–grandparents and parents
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But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition. al-Qur’an 47:2