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I love this thinking
“Today all human beings through out the world including India should only follow the last and final Revelation of God, i.e. the Qur’an.”
Why, because it says so in the quran? 
SO we should follow the quran because it says so in the quran… hello!!!
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Okay Sadiyah
Here is something that I came to know
If you remember, Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) was given some "suhuf". They did not contain any "Law". They were Rhymes etc of different kind. One current hypothesis is that the "Ved" of Hinduism are the deformed form of these "Suhuf". The Suhuf-e-Ibrahim are lost in history and they are not located, we don't know where are these. But it seems that they are in fact now transformed into Vedas, somehow.
I'll write more later
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^ now that was funny !
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I think Hinduism never originated ... it is the end state for all others that over time mature to finally being called Hinduism.
That will also explain why there are so many different customs, practices and beliefs within Hinduism.
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I guess its more likely tha Suhuf was a deformed of Vedas (Vedas date much earlier so it seems improbable to be the other way round)
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Thanks for this one - I was beginning to get the impression of Islam vs Hinduism thread.
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Alot of my friends are Hindu ...You cannot trace its origins because there isnt any. Thats the belief.
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hindu religen is not one religen it includes all tribal religen existed before hinduism
came in to india thats why you will see some do animal sacrifice some are vegetarians.
even islam in india will be slowly absorbed and integrated in the future as a part of hinduism though it is a difficult task.
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Phew!! Thats a bit too much. I think it will be fine to hope that the two manage to co-exist - at least somewhat happily. Some hope when I see at least the friends in Urban India who are not bothered about the religion of each other and keep it to their own lives. But will take too long before they actually hapily co-exist. This itself is being optimistic though (problem on both sides I feel)
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this thread is geting more funnier then i thought !
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Objection your honor
First, If (according to your claim) the vedas date back to before the “Suhuf” how can the Suhuf transform in to wedas. What I mean to say how can a child be born without the parents???
Second, would you like to tell me how old the Vedas date back to? And what is your information about the date of those “Suhuf”?
Third, there is another hypothesis that the “lost tribes of Israel” came to Indian subcontinent as we only know of 10 tribes, 2 are missing and we don’t know where did they go in history. Probably somehow, they are the people called “Brahmin” now, the costodians of the “Hindu scriptures”
Because Vedas have “Absolute monotheism” in them, we are inclined to believe that somehow they are the deformed form of the “devine guidance” of some sort, which “people” (who wrote them, Although the writter never showed his/their name on the Vedas) manipulated their text. And now what we see is glimpse and bits and pieces of information that convery the same message of monotheism as Islam does.
Waiting for your kind reply…
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lahore indians have different tribal religens before hinduism came all those are absorbed
and integrated now islam is the latest religen to come to india
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Sadiyah-Diwali is the most important festival: It celebrates the triump of good over Evil ( Ram returns home from this victory, and people light up their homes/path with diyas)
Rakhi-Sisters tie a thread around their brothers wrists, symbolising their love for their brothers, and brothers vowing to protect their sisters against all harm.
Dusshera - The end of the wicked king Ravan (victory of good over evil) .
Visit to the temple: remove shoes and anything in leather, ring the bell in temple, pray by folding the hands together, some stand, some on their knees, there are different Murti's and people go and pray there, sing Bhajans praising God, Pundit puts Tilak on forehead and gives Parshad with some flowers/petals.
The parshad is eaten and the flowers/petals are placed in the temple in the home.
Hope this helps in your quest for knowlege.
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Malhot…but the celeberation of most of the religious festivals took a start just 100 or 150 years back…do you know that??
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thnx for the above info but i had no desire to get such knowledge out of this thread .. i m trying to dig down the roots so please contribute to that.
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Mr Bombastic, the thread is about Hinduism and I had asked the Hindu members a few questions for which they replied. It wasn't directly intended for you.
Malhot, thanks for the information. Given that many of these festivals are celebrated in commemorate certain occasions that had good results/victories by god. Does it mean that according to the Hindu belief, god resided or still resides on Earth?
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Hello PRNR bhai
I am waiting for your response to my post # 31
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Namaskar! Salam!
It is widely believed that the Vedas are 8000 or 8000+ years old, orally transmitted through GuruParampara and that it was committed to written form between 2000BC and 1500BC.
The authenticity of the Vedas as they transmitted through ages verbally was ensured by a built in error correction method similar to CRC checks in current day data transmission protocols - similar in concept but different in mechanics. CRCs use sum of numbers while the Vedas use syllable repetition patterns / octet counts.
The concept of Brahmin purity (this is just my theory) might have evolved from the purity of the Vedic transmission actually - meaning the people who are responsible for maintaining purity of the Veda as it handed down through the parampara by themselves have to remain pure. I don't think this was a requirement though but a rather something that happened
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If I am right, Rigveda is perhaps the oldest scripture of the Indo-European languages. At the same time the Vedas happen to be one of the most contested books in the world. At one side, some of the **Hindutva **brigade claims that they are older than 10,000 yrs, some say 25,000 yrs and some say 50,000 yrs. No wonder. After all it is believe that Rama’s father **Dasaratha **lived for 60,000 years!
In short, the exact period when the hymns were composed is a matter of conjecture. **A little logical and scientific analysis would hint towards the figure 1500 BC. **
Moreover, the Vedas are contested in another way also. Some scholars always try to prove to the world that they are the Ultimate Divine Scriptures. They can go to any extent to prove this.
They also claim that the Hindus of those days possessed **UNLIMITED SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE. **They readily lay claim on anything latest. For example, as soon as an atom bomb is discovered, they claim that the ‘Ancient Hindus’ already possessed this knowledge. So is the case with aeroplane, cloning, decoding the human genome etc.
Thanks for replying… I have a question about the method of “Oral preservation” of the transmission of Vedas as you mentioned.
Data consists of discrete numbers that represent a figure, amount or quantity. While the case of words is not the same. Hundereds of words with similar numbers of alphabets can mean differently, e.g. “Love” total data numbers =4 and “Hate” total numbers=4… How would we know that 4 means “love or hate”
Please elaborate for me what is meant by “Built in error correction method”??? Was there some sort of machine that contained the bulit in method of error correction…
How do you exclude the memory factor in the retention of data in a human mind. How come such big books can be reliably retained in a human mind???
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The 1500-2000 year estimates are said to be largely based on research by foreigners without the benefit of knowledge of scriptures or ability to connect multiple dots (after all they had to learn everything about India from scratch). It's only in the recent years that Indians have in significant numbers, started looking at their past. As recently as 2 years ago, lost locations such as the submerged Dwarka are being discovered....so who knows whether it is 1500 or 3600 or 8000 or 30000 or more?
And what reasons will prompt one to ignore the definition of eras (yugas) by the Veda Sutras themselves? And how will we completely ignore relative definitions of time units found therein (day in Sathyaloga is different form a day on earth etc) ...knowing a day is different in each planet, star and galaxy?
As to the error correction...I will summarize my understanding:
There are a fixed number of patterns used; each pattern sets expectation for syllable pairing ....for instance, one pattern may say a syllable must be found repeated four down.. another may be, a syllable must find a complementary syllable in 3 places from occurrence etc. (conceptually. somewhat similar to poetic arrangements - when you say iambic pentameter, you know exactly what to expect).
This is not possible in any language where a) full grammar is not derivable - meaning complete recursion from roots and b) corrupting word-borrowals exist. Sanskrit is well know for such qualities and hence "pure" thus making the Vedas verbally conveyable without corruption.
Even today, if you hear a Vedic recital (usally done in groups of scholars), if one has to stop to catch his breadth, he will be physically unable to rejoin except at certain points of congruence - picture this the concept of nested open and close paranthesis....he has to wait for the equivalent of the next open paranth.
Hope I didn't bore anyone with a long reply.
Bye