The Original Shia

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Re: The Original Shia

@MesmeriZeD

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It very well might be the case that God did want the Ahle Bayt to be the successor of the Prophet(pbuh). What makes you think otherwise. As for your statement that if God wills X to happen, then it should happen. Not necessarily! **God also wills that we muslims pray 5 times a day and be good muslims, but are we? Does this in any imply that God does not want this to happen? **

You are talking about God or local Imam ??

Allah’s will is not a piece of paper. Whatever Alllah wants to happen, it happens. no ifs buts and conditions apply. In your example, Allah " ordered " muslims to pray 5 times a day. What Allah wills is only known to him.

**It is quite an irony that right after the death of the Propeht(pbuh) when hz Ali(as) sought his right of caliphate he was wrong. wasnt he? Again right after the death of the holy prophet(pbuh) when bibi fatima(as) asked for Fadak, again she was wrong and Abu Bakr was right wasnt he? Again right afterthe death of the prophet(pbuh) bibi Ayesha fought against Ali(as), right? Again after the death of the prophet(pbuh) Mavia was right and imam Hassan was wrong eh? Again Imam Hussein was a rebel and Yazid a pious muslim. **

Don’t know where are you getting all this messed up a-symmetric line of events …

If Hazrat Ali would have been the first callaph, it would be on merit. It would be all good, he was perfectly suitable. but the person who became the callaph was also one of the best and closest companion of Prophet so we dont find anything wrong with it.

When Hazrat Ali (ra) became caliph Both Hazrat Ayesha(ra) and Muavia were wrong in fighting against him. Ali(ra) was right. So neither He nor did we start hating them, because although they were all very noble personaities but the were not Infallible so they may have been wrong in the judgement. We leave the case to Allah.

really it amazes me that everytime the Ahle-Bayt are the wrong ones or are taken to be mistaken but does it ever crosses the mind of the sunnis that the other could also be wrong and were mistaken. But no.

You have too many far fetched ideas, dont know from where :halo: You most probably know that Ahle-Bayt are deeply respected among mainstream sunnies but It does not suit you. So you take offense to any word or any historical fact which suggests that they were humans too, and may have had some error of judgement or a slight mistake on thetr part.

You are mistaken my friend, Contrary to shia, Sunnies do not take any companion or relative of prophet to be perfect. They take them as human being capable of doing mistake and errror. And history books are filled with them. Be it Abu bakar, Usman, Umar, Ali (ra) or any other sahaba. They were devoted to Islam but were porn to errors and they help eachother. It is evident that Hz Umar had the problem of Anger management, but he was an excellent administrator. So during his rule Hz Ali (ra) advised him on various issues and Hz umar happily complied because he was aware of Aboslute wisdom of Hz Ali.

We accept that there were some issues on which there was a dispute, and we do not deny them, they are part of history. but Hz Ali was aware of the devotion of First three Caliphs and so he did’t have any objection.

There were only 4 rightly Guided Caliphs After the demise of prophet (pbuh).