Re: The Original Shia
Two points that Texan Dude raised that I'd like to rebuttle:
- Texan Dude: "Loving Ali is the sign of belief, and hating Ali is the sign of hypocrasy."
I don't know what your logic is really. I don't see any sunnis "hating" Ali (R). In fact, sunnis have a great deal of respect for him, and he became a caliph because he had the SUPPORT of the same people that supported Abu Bakr, and Umar, and Uthman (R). The death of Uthman, it seems, has made people come up with different stories. The present-day Shia line has put words in Ali (R)'s mouth, and same with the present-day Sunni line. The fact of the matter is, there is no personal parchment or record from Ali (R) that would tell us of his stance on the whole issue. Funny thing is that for some reason everyone ELSE seems to know what Ali thought and felt this whole time.
I think if he knew that he was to be the successor, he probably would not have cooperated with the other Sahabah.
:)
- Texan Dude: Note that it was not Prophet who appointed him on his own, but it was rather Allah who appointed him.
So, something that God Willed...did not happen. Interesting. I thought the Quran even says that if God wills something, it happens.