The misguided sect of al-Qur’aaniyyeen

[PakistaniAbroad]

sorry pakistaniaborad, i do not consider it wise to provide u with the verse # because i wud rather see u making stupid, arrogant remarks on what i say then having u ridicule the aayaat of the Quran, as u do with the sayings of the Holy Prophet (pbuh)

Do not equate qur’anic verses with what Bukhari wrote. And you can’t give me any verses cuz you are too lazy to do your homework before posting. The practice of quoting the Qur’an withought suarh:verse number should be stopped. Mods please enforce.

but u shud think that the same Prophet whose words (hadith) u deny has brought to u the Quran revealed unto him by Allah

I deny the allegations written by Bukhari and Muslim. You deny the message conveyed by the Prophet, which is the Qur’an.

and the Quran says (go see the Quran and find the source, if u know the Quran. u wud know where i pick the verse from):

Once again.. show some maturity and respect and quote the Qur’anic verses. This is not child’s play or fabricated Hadees. This is Qur’an we are talking about.

ask me if u dont see in these verses where Allah tells us of the rank of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

pardon me, but you seem to have read the word ‘rank’ in the verses.. may I ask how you arrived at that ‘rank’ conclusion after having read 2:136 ?

why the words of the Prophet (his hadith) r smiliar to the words of the Quran (the inspirtion or Wahee as it is called in the aayaat)…**

great.. so you think now there is another collection of Allah’s revelations which was mysteriously hidden from the Caliphs and just emerged 250 years after the Prophets departure from this life.

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[PakistaniAbroad]

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Originally posted by armughal:
and dont give me some **flawed logic **that the sources of the Hadith and the people who have conveyed it to us r not TRUSTWORTHY because these same people have passed forward to us the Quran as well
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are u stoned? take a crash course in history again and come back to join the thread when you know something more about the subject.

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and when Allah promised to save the Quran, he did not mean to reveal it every next year to keep it in its unaltered form, but He did it throught the purified hearts of these noble men who carried on with them the words of Allah and the words of His Prophet (pbuh)....**
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What a theory.. The Qur'an was available in written form from Day 1. First compiled together by Abu Bakar because human memory is unreliable. Later distributed by Usman. Where were your ' six holy books' then?? Islam was complete then and remained so for two hundred years before it got weak enough for fabricators to attack it through concocted accounts.

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[PakistaniAbroad]

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Originally posted by Mustaqim:
**Assalamualaikum.

Usually peiopl who are part of this "cult" use on made-up translations of quran and would post long convoluted points as opposed to short ones that can easily be replied.**
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Since i'm the only one who pays proper respect to Qur'anic verses by quoting them I'd take it aimed at me.

Feel free to point out which translation is 'made-up'.

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[FactFinder]

Assalamo Alaikum!

To those brothers and sisters who can understand.

Laws are framed and passed by the legislature, which is the highest authority in the land. The civil servants who work in the law ministry then prepare rules as to how the laws are to be implemented and interpreted.

Allah subhanaho wa ta'ala has done the same thing with the Qur'an. He has laid down the Laws and has sent His Messenger to explain waht was not evidently clear. If anybody does not wish to read the rules, he/she will have a problem following the Law and will have to pay the penalty when confronted by the Lawmaker.

Allah Hafiz

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[PakistaniAbroad]

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Originally posted by Changez_like:
If Prophet PBUH was only to deliver Quran the way you understand it, then why did it take 23 years? why was Quran not revealed all in one day in printed form so Prophet PBUH could distribute it to everyone and then take a journey to other countries and distribute the copy so no one could have complained that he did not receive 'the message/Quran' from Prophet PBUH?
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The Prophet was to recite it to his people. It was ALLAH who taught them through the Book.

[Yunus 10:15] And when Our clear communications are recited to them, those who hope not for Our meeting say: Bring a Quran other than this or change it. Say: It does not beseem me that I should change it of myself; I follow naught but what is revealed to me; surely I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the punishment of a mighty day.

[Yunus 10:16] Say: If Allah had desired (otherwise) I would not have recited it to you, nor would He have taught it to you; indeed I have lived a lifetime among you before it; do you not then understand?

PakistaniAbroad: The time period was given for people to learn the Book and also to be able to ask questions about their problems so Allah could provide answers.

This exactly proves the point that if the implementation was to be left on a messenger, the Book would have been revealed instantly and then the messenger would have explained it. However that didn't happen.

The Book took 23 years so that each and every issue of life important for salvation was discussed in The Book itself.

And whatever Allah didn't mention was for a reason and NO ONE has the authority to declare it part of the religion after the Book is completed.

[al-Ma'idah 5:101] O you who believe! do not put questions about things which if declared to you may trouble you, and if you question about them when the Quran is being revealed, they shall be declared to you; Allah pardons this, and Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing.

PakistaniAbroad: Notice how believers follow the Qur'an and wait for Allah to declare 'haraam' and 'halaal'. And Allah tells them that if something is not revealed it's because Allah is pardoning, Forgiving and Forbearing.

[Muhammad 47:20] And those who believe say: Why has not a chapter been revealed? But when a decisive chapter is revealed, and fighting is mentioned therein you see those in whose hearts is a disease look to you with the look of one fainting because of death. Woe to them then!

PakistaniAbroad: Do you think that the Prophet's word alone wouldn't be enough for believers? They were afterall told to obey and follow, right?

But the above verse again shows that people waited for Allah's commandment to arrive. Allah's revelations strenghtened their faith.

[at-Taubah 9:124] And whenever a chapter is revealed, there are some of them who say: Which of you has it strengthened in faith? Then as for those who believe, it strengthens them in faith and they rejoice

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[PakistaniAbroad]

Originally posted by FactFinder:

Laws are framed and passed by the legislature, which is the highest authority in the land. The civil servants who work in the law ministry then prepare rules as to how the laws are to be implemented and interpreted.

Allah subhanaho wa ta’ala has done the same thing with the Qur’an. He has laid down the Laws and has sent His Messenger to explain waht was not evidently clear. If anybody does not wish to read the rules, he/she will have a problem following the Law and will have to pay the penalty when confronted by the Lawmaker.

Blasphemy against the Qur’an

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Repent as you said the Qur’anic law was not “evidently clear”. What does Allah need to say more to tell you that his Book is clear and explained?? Why do you insist on being deaf and dumb?

The following verse is for you FactFinder

[al-Baqarah 2:118] And those who have no knowledge say: Why does not Allah speak to us or a sign come to us? Even thus said those before them, the like of what they say; their hearts are all alike. Indeed We have made the communications clear for a people who are sure.

The Prophet couldn’t change a single letter of the Qur’an .. let alone add/change Quranic Law.

[Yunus 10:15] And when Our clear communications are recited to them, those who hope not for Our meeting say: Bring a Quran other than this or change it. Say: It does not beseem me that I should change it of myself; I follow naught but what is revealed to me; surely I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the punishment of a mighty day.

PakistaniAbroad: And while u’re talking laws and rules, tell me where in the Qur’anic law can you find a ban on Music and then explain where the ‘rule’ made by ‘civil servants’ came from.

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[Changez_like]

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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
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This exactly proves the point that if the implementation was to be left on a messenger, the Book would have been revealed instantly and then the messenger would have explained it. However that didn't happen.

The Book took 23 years so that each and every issue of life important for salvation was discussed in The Book itself.

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Do you think that Quran can be explained "instantly" ?

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May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

[Hasnain]

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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
Blasphemy against the Qur'an

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I don't see where FactFinder has blasphemed. He's merely trying to point out the importance of the Sunnah in explaining and understanding Islaam.

Please allow me to ask you a series of querries related to some questions you have chosen not to answer so far in this thread:

Do you pray?
Do you give Zakat?
Have you performed Hajj?

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