The man who betrayed Saddam

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The man who betrayed Saddam

December 18 2003 at 12:18PM
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=123&art_id=qw1071742687443B262&set_id=1

Amman - Saddam Hussein was betrayed by a relative who was his personal bodygyard and who led US troops to the ousted Iraqi leader’s hideout after drugging him, a Jordanian newspaper reported on Thursday, quoting a source close to the American-led coalition in Iraq.

“A source close to the occupation forces … revealed that the one who informed on Saddam, betrayed him and handed him over to the American forces is his relative, General Mohammed Ibrahim Omar al-Muslit,” Al-Arab Al-Yawm daily said from Baghdad.

Muslit was Saddam’s “personal bodyguard and companion throughout the period of his disappearance as he moved from one hideout to another,” the report said.

According to the source, Muslit was the link between the former Iraqi president and his relatives and knew of his various hideouts.

‘There were a lot of people involved in this’
He informed some of his relatives of his plans to betray Saddam and “contacted the Americans through one relative he trusted,” the newspaper said.

They agreed on a plan by which Muslit had “to drug the Iraqi president… to guarantee his capture alive, without giving him a chance to resist or to escape from the trap that was laid out for him,” the report said.

The officer “succeeded in drugging Saddam in his hideout,” the report added.

There was no independent confirmation of the report.

The US Army has not identified the person who provided the tip-off on Saddam, who was captured on Saturday near his hometown of Tikrit, in northern Iraq.

The following day the commander of the army’s 4th Infantry Division responsible for nabbing Saddam said he had been betrayed by a family member close to him.

“There were a lot of people involved in this … as we continued to chat to people we got more and more information on a family that was considered close to Saddam Hussein,” Major General Raymond Odierno said.

“Finally we got the ultimate information from one of the individuals,” he said, refusiThe man who betrayed Saddam

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The muslim is a brother of a muslim as mentioned in the Quran and by the Prophet Muhammed. One of the reasons for our humiliation today is due to not being united as one block against the forces of the west. We have been brainwashed into thinking that the west is the best and we should be like them in terms of being secular and living our lives according to benefit instead of adopting the comprehensive Islamic belief and making halal and haram as our criteria.

Manifestations of the above is we betray our own for a cheap price e.g muslims like the one above, the muslim rulers who obey the west and the muslims in general who do not live according to islam and who do not work for the Islamic system to return to life.

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This man did a good deed. He brought a known killer, murder and psychopath to a form of justice. Saddam was no muslim. He was an atheist. He deserves death and severe torment in the here after. This relative did his duty as a Muslim to bring a murderer to "justice". We should give him a bloody medal.

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subject to transfer to religious block!

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Showkot, your comments dose not rhyme with the direct rule of Aya 4:135.

The criteria of being best are to follow the rules, and since we are not doing that we should wait for our replacement, if this is what is in for us. It is sad that the we as muslims were unable to provide justice to our ummah, so some one has to do it.

But more important to understand is that in case of Saddam, we now have a court to try him even if he has murdered one innocent person, but what about the rest of the leaders in mostly muslim countries...Botuflika, Saleh, Mubarek, Musharaf, Bashar, the leaders of GCC they all have blood on their hands, so are we going to wait for the "west" for providing justice to them as well. We can cry all day about the interest of the west, but where does our interest lie?

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Showkot ; the man who did dat maybe did it under pressure. he was captured and maybe his life was in danger.

CM how do u know dat saddam was an atheist??? if i'm not wrong a man is a muslim as long as he says kalima and as far as his deeds are concerned God is there to deal with them.

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CM yeah u tell em boyyyy..

here is a simple questions, if you know where a murderer is hiding, muslim or otherwise..would you not give him up so he could be brought to justice, and the lives of other people, muslim or non-muslims be saved from that man?

One has to do the right thing..

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Sorry, I don't buy it. If there was a traitor, the gov't would have said so just for the PR/propaganda value. It would make other leaders of the insurgency that much more insecure, as in "if Saddam can be betrayed the same can happen to me".

The drugging story is also an obvious ploy to appease the Arab world's damaged pride. Their brave hero who stood-up to the americans turned out to be a total wuss.

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Re: The man who betrayed Saddam

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Manifestations of the above is we betray our own for a cheap price e.g muslims like the one above, the muslim rulers who obey the west and the muslims in general who do not live according to islam and who do not work for the Islamic system to return to life.
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I didn't know Saddam was interested in working for Islamic System. Can you PLEASEEEE share that? Many many thanks.

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CM

So what stopped this individual from acting to remove saddam before when Islamic parties like Hizb Ut Tahrir approached him and other high ranking officers to remove Saddam and establish the Khilafah? It was personal benefit and not halal or haram or ideas of bringing a murderer to justice. Also im sure this individual being a part of saddams inner circle has his hands bloody as well, to think otherwise and recommend him for a medal and other accolades is foolishness of the worst type. And the 25 million will also come in handy.

As for Saddam being an atheist you need to provide proof, there is a hadith which states that when one muslim accuses another muslim of being a kaffir then it the accusation goes up to Allah and falls on one of them. Also Allah swt will be the judge on the day of judgement and he will judge all according to their deeds. We humans are not capable of deciding who goes to heaven and hell.

MiniMe

When a muslim ruler does not rule according to Islam then the muslim ummah have to account him and then if need be remove him from power with someone who will rule according to Islam. We cannot expect justice in the western courts, they have a different criteria than us when they judge.

All the muslim rulers have sold themselves to the west and are murdering muslims with tacit approval of the west. When they have outlasted their usefulness then they are replaced with another puppet.

Islamic political parties like hizb ut Tahrir have been working for 50 years to account and remove the corrupt muslim rulers and we require the help of all sincere muslims like yourself to help us to achieve our noble objective.

Aasha

Maybe your right, but the past actions of this man proves that he likes to be on the winning side always and his allegiance is to the victors.

Fraudz

Yes, saddam is a murderer and a criminal who has killed millions, but what do you have to say about the western leaders who supplied him with the weapons by which he carried out his attrocities are they not accsesories to murder as well? And when will they be arrested and put on trial?

Changez_like

I never mentioned saddam was working for an Islamic system, if you read my comment you will see that he comes under the category of rulers who do not implement the Islamic system

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Forget what has happened in the past. Remember one good deed is important. Everything is weighted differently. I let Allah judge what is best. I believe he brought a murderer of muslims. His own kin to "justice". That is an islamic deed worthy of mention. To turn in your own blood requires alot of strenght.

I say he is an atheist, because he said so himself. In the 1980's his secular Ba'athist party permitted drinking and other vices in the name of secular society. I suggest you read up on it. Saddam was no muslim. He didnt consider himself one.

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Showkat, according to you, he had two alternatives...

  1. Get some nice $$$$, reveal Saddams location to the US, in a time when his regime was crippled

  2. Ask the HT to somehow impose the Khilafat, in a time when Saddam and his henchmen would kill anyone who dare speak against him

Number 2 is not only way less appealing but impossible.

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*Originally posted by showkot: *
Fraudz

Yes, saddam is a murderer and a criminal who has killed millions, but what do you have to say about the western leaders who supplied him with the weapons by which he carried out his attrocities are they not accsesories to murder as well? And when will they be arrested and put on trial?
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I dont think that was a good idea to supply him with weapons. But responsibility of using the weapons was with him. You can use them for defense or for offense, according to laws governing wars or outside of it. He chose to use them in an illegal offensive way against people. I think when he was pimp slapped at desrt storm since then no one has really given him any weapons.

I would not mind going on these tangents as long as you dotn mind answering some point blank, yes or no questions.

1) Was saddam good (yes/no)

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Cm

For a muslim to get reward for any Islamic action he performs, he must do it with the intention that he is doing it to earn the pleasure of Allah and not personal benefit. Non- muslims perform many actions which we muslims do such as fasting, but they do not gain any reward for this because they are not doing it for Allah.

So how do you know that this man, who was one of Saddams inner circle did it for Islamic reasons as opposed to personal benefit i.e the 25 million reward. Also this man is a criminal who was part of the attrocities commited by the Ba'athists against the muslims of Iraq.

Also the muslim knows that he cannot get justice from non-muslims because they judge with other than what Allah has revealed and therefore judge with injustice according to Islam.

You mention he said he was an atheist, please can you provide the proof for this. Also if your criteria to call a muslim ruler an atheist is based upon them allowing drinking and other vices to exist in the muslim lands then all of the muslim rulers are atheist according to you.

Spock

Islam was revealed to be applied and followed under all circumstances so we as muslims do not take the pragmatic approach like the west, who says one thing today, and tommorow will do something else.

Khilafah has and will always be the solution to the problems which muslims are facing, even though some muslims may consider this to be a joke. But Allah swt has prdered Khilafah, and is aware of those who work for this and those who mock and insult, our return is to Allah and he will reward and punish those who obeyed him and those who did not.

Fraudz

I never said he was good, i have always refered to him as a brutal dictator ruling with non-Islam. Also the west knew about his brutality upon his own people and also his aggression against other nations, still they armed him with weapons. So him using them in an illigal manner was to be expected and even the west does not mention this as part of their justification, maybe you can become the PR officer for the west because you present a good defence for them. But in my opinion you will make a good dawah carrier and ambassador for Islam.

final point for everyone

Pleace be upon all those who follow Islam and make Islam the basis for all their thoughts and actions.Ameen

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Showkat, It aint my job to educate you. You want the links. You find them. If you dont know the basic about Saddam and the Ba'athist party, it isnt my problem.

So basically Showkat you are saying that people of the book, Christains and jews can not judge on muslim matters and if they do so, they will be wrong, no matter what. As they dont judge by the codes set under the Islam.

Assumption is the mother of all **** ups. Dont be one.

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Cm

Pleace be upon all those who follow Islam and make Islam the basis for all their thoughts and actions.Ameen
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Does this mean that you have to kill everyone who is not a Musilm?

Why not "Peace be upon all?" without conditions?

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*Originally posted by showkot: *
Spock

Islam was revealed to be applied and followed under all circumstances so we as muslims do not take the pragmatic approach like the west, who says one thing today, and tommorow will do something else.

Khilafah has and will always be the solution to the problems which muslims are facing, even though some muslims may consider this to be a joke. But Allah swt has prdered Khilafah, and is aware of those who work for this and those who mock and insult, our return is to Allah and he will reward and punish those who obeyed him and those who did not.

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Imagine what would happen to you if you said all the above to your Saddam uncle. We are not talking about khilafat here, we are talking about reality.

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CM

First of all i would like to say that if you post something then you should post the links, because otherwise we all can post things which are innuendo and say " you find the links", and im sure that all the moderators will agree with me on this.

Only muslims are allowed to judge on muslim matters according to Islam, if you disagree then please provide your evidence to prove otherwise.

Toddytapper

No one mentioned about killing non-muslims, i think this is a figment from your imagination, where you been brainwashed by the western media to think that all muslims want to do is kill non-muslims.

Muslims are only allowed to wish peace and blessings upon muslims only.

Spock

I never said Saddam was my uncle, i only remember mentioning that you are my brother. Khilafah was a reality, and according to Quran and sunnah it will be so again. Check the Quran and hadiths my brother and ignore the quotes by the western politicians and their media.

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Does this mean that you have to kill everyone who is not a Musilm?

Why not "Peace be upon all?" without conditions?
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You been reading too much of "kill disbelievers" websites. Stop reading websites, if you really want to learn/understand Islam you have to read Quran.

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Showkat how the heck can i link what an Iraqi diplomat says to me?