THE LOST HISTORY

[m3hjab33n]

Re: THE LOST HISTORY

I'm talking about YLH mister, and I'm not nasir.

[kchughtai]

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Quote from dr. ishtiaq's article

At that time, World War II was raging in full fury and Britain was facing defeat on all fronts. The British wanted to put pressure on the Indian National Congress, which was not cooperating with them. In September 1939, the Congress ministries had resigned to protest over India being committed to World War II without Indian leaders being consulted. Moreover, the Congress had started demanding transfer of power and the British wanted to prevent such menace from gaining momentum. **Nothing would have done it better than the Indian Muslims demanding a separate state and thus calling into question the Congress’ claim to represent Indian opinion. **Sir Zafarullah was by no means acting as a free agent when he prepared a memorandum on Pakistan. He simply carried out a task given to him by the viceroy.

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so is this ishtiaq fella implying that the demand of Pakistan was a ploy by the British to put pressure on Congress?

[kchughtai]

As far as Gurdaspur is concerned, here is an excerpt from an article
Gurdaspur was the key to the Fraud in Kashmir accession

Gurdaspur District had a slight Muslim majority, because Ahmadiyya community were counted as Muslims even though they had been declared non-Muslims by Muslim clergy (there was large concentration of Ahmediyas in that area because their spiritual centre Qadian is located in Gurdaspur district). **The proportion of Muslim to non-Muslim population in the district as a whole was 50.6 and 49.4 **respectively with Shakargarh and Gurdaspur tehsils with a slight Muslim majority of 1% each while Batala tehsil had a Muslim majority of 53% and Pathankot tehsil had an overwhelming majority of non-Muslims at 67%. In the end only Shakargarh tehsil which was separated from the rest of the district by the Ravi river was awarded to Pakistan leaving the rest of the district with a slight majority of non-Muslims, but it was speculated that at the insistence of Lord Mountbatten it was awarded as such to East Punjab, so that if the kingdom of Kashmir wanted to integrate with the Indian Union, it would be accessible to India.

Now here is the story. Gurdaspur district had a slight edge of muslim population i.e., 50.6% if and only if Ahmadis are counted as muslims. otherwise muslims would be a minority there. If you guys consider Ahmadis as non-muslims then the propaganda of injustice done by Redcliffe will be a baloney.

[a-town_boy]

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interesting, very interesting...

[kchughtai]

as if you found dr. ishtiaq's article without googling. work on your language buddy. you didn't say anything about my comment. instead you resorted to use bad language

[kchughtai]

This whole topic about divine ahmadi hand in creation was started with a baseless article (without any link).

Here is the list of some of the references quoted in the OP:

1) The nation that lost its soul
memoirs of a freedom fighter
1st ed.
Sirdar Shaukat Hyat Khan.
Published 1995 by Jang Publishers in Lahore .
p-147

2) Sunday Times London (April 9,1933)

3) www.thepresecution.org

At least you can get a hand on the first resource to see if what is stated is true or not. or you don't consider it a valid reference that has no url.

[u_ahmed]

I'm talking about YLH mister, and I'm not nasir.

Sir, both articles are by the same author.

There is a correction that must be made in the first article. The mosque was actually Fazl Mosque.

[Aceones]

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what a joke!

[Zakk]

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Just a comment i believe Shaukat Hayat voted for the 2nd amendment..

[EyEsOnSkY]

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yeah the whole standup and creation of Pakistan is joke for your guys, the fundamentalist narrow minded peoples who was against the creation of independent muslim state even don wana call it Pakistan, read all my thread from start to end, what the Al Ahrar and company called our dream land and what they called our Quaid e Azam. Sharam magar tum ko nahi ati...

Yeah it was joke that why Quide Azam Sir Mohammad Zafrullah Khan our first Foreign Minister, a Foreign Minister of new born baby Pakitan, and yeah it was joke that how He led the Pakistan foreign policy in the world.. open up your eyes guys, to hate for someone for disbelife is different and shut your mind and eyes from fects is running from realities.

peace

[d-tox.ed]

Dude, they will just say that this is a lie and that Ahmadis are actually the enemies of Pakistan and are working together with the Israelis. LOL And before that they were working for the Brits etc.

Nice article but I do not think any of above will go in anyone's thick head which is already filled with hate.

[EyEsOnSkY]

LOL I told you.

Well atleast he didn't say that they are working for the Israelis. Maybe he will say that in his next post.

you know what ,almost they realize it but its hard for them to accept it

[EyEsOnSkY]

Until you back this with some authentic sources & links .. i am not buying a single word of it.

So shall we ?

post 27 with thanks to KC

[m3hjab33n]

@kchughtai

As far as Gurdaspur is concerned, here is an excerpt from an article
Gurdaspur was the key to the Fraud in Kashmir accession

Now here is the story. Gurdaspur district had a slight edge of muslim population i.e., 50.6% if and only if Ahmadis are counted as muslims. otherwise muslims would be a minority there. If you guys consider Ahmadis as non-muslims then the propaganda of injustice done by Redcliffe will be a baloney.

so how did the majority part go to India?

care to finish the story please? Gracias.

@kchughtai

Here is the list of some of the references quoted in the OP:

1. The nation that lost its soul
   memoirs of a freedom fighter
   1st ed.
   Sirdar Shaukat Hyat Khan.
   Published 1995 by Jang Publishers in Lahore .
   p-147

2. Sunday Times London (April 9,1933)

3. www.thepresecution.org

At least you can get a hand on the first resource to see if what is stated is true or not. or you don’t consider it a valid reference that has no url.

persecution.org is a Kattar ahmadi site - rather, their propaganda machine
please quote anti ahmadi sources as i said

u_ahmed,
YLH is known to write pro-ahmadi stuff, I don’t know if he is ahmadi or not.

[Degas]

@EyEsOnSkY

He was persuaded back to India by no other person than Hadhrat Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud Ahmad, the Head of Ahmadiyya Movement. This divine figure surveyed the Indian political horizon and found no honest and outstanding Muslim figure to lead the Muslims of India, the Muslims who lost their empire in India after five centuries of Moghal rule.

Why didnt this so-called devine figure found himself or any other qadiani to lead muslims? was there no honest and outstanding muslim in qadianis including himself in India..

[d-tox.ed]

Why didnt this so-called devine figure found himself or any other qadiani to lead muslims? was there no honest and outstanding muslim in qadianis including himself in India..

That is hate speaking..... Just pause your head for second. At one hand all Non Ahmadies had Mullah had declared Ahmadies Kafir and Wajibul Katal and in that situatoin who would come and stand next to an Ahmadi to help in freedom strugle....people like you kicked Nobel Prize Winner Dr Abdul Salam out of country for his faith...the rest you can figure out.

[kchughtai]

The best comment so far by a non-ahmadi in this situation is following:

queer quotes:
why is it that the ahmedi-haters are usually the ones with such low IQs?

[Degas]

@d-tox.ed

That is hate speaking..... Just pause your head for second. At one hand all Non Ahmadies had Mullah had declared Ahmadies Kafir and Wajibul Katal and in that situatoin who would come and stand next to an Ahmadi to help in freedom strugle....people like you kicked Nobel Prize Winner Dr Abdul Salam out of country for his faith...the rest you can figure out.

But the devine help or devinity would had defeated all these non-Ahmadis .. plus, i regard Dr Salam in high regards and who kill in the name of religion as scums..

[EyEsOnSkY]

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@ Degas

you alrady answered what u ask in your post 35 Quoting my paragraph... read it again very carefully. well in short... Jinnah was a right person on right time who can lead muslims.. Jinnah was famous as a great political leader instead of a relgious leader. and peoples were not satsified with Ulmae Ikaram I mean Al Ahrar and comapany becoz they were under the flag of Congress instead Muslim league..

[EyEsOnSkY]

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A study of the Pakistan movement clearly indicates that "Islamic state" did not figure prominently during the period of struggle. An advocacy of Pakistan as an "Islamic state" sometimes brought Jinnah into confrontation with his colleagues. Raja Saheb of Mahmoudabad, in his memoirs recalls: "During 1941-5,.......we advocated that Pakistan should be an Islamic state. I must confess that I was very enthusiastic about it and in my speeches I constantly propagated my ideas. My advocacy of an Islamic state brought me into conflict with Jinnah. He thoroughly disapproved of my ideas and dissuaded me from expressing them publicly from the League platform lest the people might be led to believe that Jinnah share my view and that he was asking me to convey such ideas to public. As I was convinced that I was right and did not want to compromise Jinnah's position, I decided to cut myself away and for nearly two years kept my distance from him, apart from seeing him during the working committee meetings and other formal occasions.

India's Partition - Process Strategy and Mobilization - Memoirs of Raja of Mehmoudabad edited by Mushirul Hasan - Oxford University Press, Karachi. Cited by Dawn 3.10.1993