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while Indian and Pakistani parents want their kids to stop at middle school 
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It’s not about masters degrees, it’s about unmatched unity. On Merc’s “conspiracy” argument, here’s an excerpt from a recently declassified Operation Northwoods document on justification for the US military intervention in Cuba:
"8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.
a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone (remote controlled unmanned aerial vehicle).
b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the inter-national distress frequency a “MAY DAY” message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to ‘sell’ the incident."
– from The joint Chiefs of Staffs to the Secretary of Defense, March 13, 1962.](Operation Northwoods: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba, 3/13/62)Operation Northwoods: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba, 3/13/62
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It's not about masters degrees, it's about unmatched unity. On Merc's "conspiracy" argument, here's an excerpt from a recently declassified Operation Northwoods document on justification for the US military intervention in Cuba.
They do have unmatched unity. They exemplify "ummah". But they are also very educated.
As for Merc's consipiracy theory argument, you continue to justify his accusation by putting up unrelated after unrelated posts from conspiracy theory sites to try and prove what? The US is bad? Or that you can't carry on a coherent discussion?
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Semi, I'm not posting here for only Merc, so my posts don't necessarily relate to Merc's questions or arguments. I'm moving to provable substance to satisfy Merc's stuck record on conspiracy rebukes.
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Here's another which most didn't even doubt when told that the Soviets attacked Afghanistan in 1979 to gain access to "warm waters" until Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, a Polish zio, bragged differently to the French Le Nouvel Observateur in 1998.
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs "From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: **Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul (they had Carter cornered after the Iranian Revolution of Feb. 1979). And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
**Q: **Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
**Brzezinski: **We knowingly increased the probability that they would.
**Q: **When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan (conspiracy theory*), people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
**Brzezinski:* Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: **And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
**Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
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JayR, do you get a conspiracy e-mail everyday and then post it here or something?
I told you, didnt I? One of those gainsayer is right here.
It's not about Jews for gods sake, It's all about Zionism. What amazes me the most ppl like Seminole havent learnt anything. Ever since joining GS.
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I told you, didnt I? One of those gainsayer is right here.
It's not about Jews for gods sake, It's all about Zionism. What amazes me the most ppl like Seminole havent learnt anything. Ever since joining GS.
Does it make you feel better disguising racism against Jews as a dislike for zionism? All these attacks on Jews are not limited to their zionist beliefs and all the Jews being scrutinized are not zionists. Do you even know what zionism means or is that just a catch word for you to express disdain for successful Jews? Any successful or influential Jew is a zionist?
So please don't lecture me on being learnt. Your grasp (or lack of) history and current events doesn't give you any credibility to attack mine. You weren't very informed 6 years ago and apparently still aren't.
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But does it make you feel better, Semi, when they disguise their hatred against the Muslims under the guise of extremists and terrorists?
I've always liked Woody Allen, who describes his character (actually himself) as: "He's a bad apple, a commie, a liberal New York Jewish crackpot."
He once said: "French think I am an artist because my films lose money."
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No, it's just as ignorant to box all Muslims together and hide hatred for Islam under the guise of hatred for terrorism.
And I'm glad you found one Jew that you like.
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There's growing anti-Semitism all across Europe, especially in France and Russia; even in the US. Why? Because many have figured out or learnt what's been really going on, especially after 9/11.
To date, there are over 600,000 websites, 3,000 books and tens of DVD's and films dedicated to 9/11 conspiracy. Why are people so concerned? They have every reason to be, while in your and Merc's book blood money is okay as long as you have a master's degree.
Many Muslim graduates in the US end up driving cabs, delivering pizzas or selling used cars.
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^ How does that example relate to or justify growing anti-semitism?
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Does it make you feel better disguising racism against Jews as a dislike for zionism? All these attacks on Jews are not limited to their zionist beliefs and all the Jews being scrutinized are not zionists. Do you even know what zionism means or is that just a catch word for you to express disdain for successful Jews? Any successful or influential Jew is a zionist?
So please don't lecture me on being learnt. Your grasp (or lack of) history and current events doesn't give you any credibility to attack mine. You weren't very informed 6 years ago and apparently still aren't.
Seminole, one of your main problems is: You think you know everything.
So how can I deny that then, since you not going to accept whatever I'm trying to teach you. Yes there is anti-semitism but I dont have a problem with Jews. But zionists (and I'm pretty much aware of what zionists are) have had the world as their play ground. Just for the sake of their own interests, they have made this world no better place.
I don't need to continue with my sermon. You must know better, but the fact Is you will label this as conspiracy theory. So whats the use of discussing this any way?!
So If you read my posts 6 years back you will see some difference regaring politics, but as far as you are concerned.......I think we know both the end of the beginning.
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Seminole, one of your main problems is: You think you know everything.
So how can I deny that then, since you not going to accept whatever I'm trying to teach you. Yes there is anti-semitism but I dont have a problem with Jews. But zionists (and I'm pretty much aware of what zionists are) have had the world as their play ground. Just for the sake of their own interests, they have made this world no better place.
I don't need to continue with my sermon. You must know better, but the fact Is you will label this as conspiracy theory. So whats the use of discussing this any way?!
So If you read my posts 6 years back you will see some difference regaring politics, but as far as you are concerned.......I think we know both.
So a little display of intelligence implies I think I know everything? Sorry to be so intimidating. I hate to disapoint you, but I don't know everything. I'm willing to accept anything that is brought before me, my mind is not closed. But so far what you have presented isn't anything that is going to teach anyone anything.
You appear to lump all successful Jews as Zionists. Zionism is a political movement that supports a homeland for Jewish people. How can you lump everything a successful or influential Jew does as part of the Zionist agenda? These accusations in the thread have nothing to do with the establishment or support of Israel.
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So a little display of intelligence implies I think I know everything? Sorry to be so intimidating. I hate to disapoint you, but I don't know everything. I'm willing to accept anything that is brought before me, my mind is not closed. But so far what you have presented isn't anything that is going to teach anyone anything.
You appear to lump all successful Jews as Zionists. Zionism is a political movement that supports a homeland for Jewish people. How can you lump everything a successful or influential Jew does as part of the Zionist agenda? These accusations in the thread have nothing to do with the establishment or support of Israel.
Lol Seminole you havent changed a bit, should I TEACH you on how to read names? Please refer to the first post of JRay post. Read the names carefully, do tell me If you find one name that is not very jewish except JRAY himself. And now do realize that Uncle Sam is best buddy with Israel.
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Yet another post that just confirms your racism or lack of knowledge in previous posts. That article is about the Federal Reserve System, the IMF and the World Bank and enslaving the people of the world with debt money. What in the world does that have to do with Zionism?
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You need more of conspiracy theories, which you neglect anyways.
I like to post one here:
http://home.flash.net/~comvoice/31cZionism.html
Enjoy my zionist friend.
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LOL, now I am a zionist! How many posts are you going to put up that continue to display your ignorance of what zionism is? On what basis am I zionist?
Now you post a link to a communist manifesto - for what purpose? There's no need to prove your propensity to accept propaganda.
Here's something you and the communists apparently don't know - zionism is based on Jewish religion, history, culture and a homeland. American support for Israel has nothing to do with those zionist principles - it's a strategic interest. Strategic interest does not equal zionisn just as my posts do not equate to zionism.
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LOL, now I am a zionist! How many posts are you going to put up that continue to display your ignorance of what zionism is? On what basis am I zionist?
Now you post a link to a communist manifesto - for what purpose? There's no need to prove your propensity to accept propaganda.
Here's something you and the communists apparently don't know - zionism is based on Jewish religion, history, culture and a homeland. American support for Israel has nothing to do with those zionist principles - it's a strategic interest. Strategic interest does not equal zionisn just as my posts do not equate to zionism.
Seminole, forget It. It's useless with you discussing. As the discussion always turns into personal matters and judgement of the guppy. You will not stop backing Neo-Con Governments supporting Zionism and the creation of Israel (historically proven facts) and I will not stop posting facts and figures on your beloved US of A on betraying every one, but not the Israeli zionists.
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Personal and judgment of the guppy? Like this where you jumped in?
ppl like Seminole havent learnt anything. Ever since joining GS.
Seminole, one of your main problems is: You think you know everything.
...since you not going to accept whatever I'm trying to teach you
...but the fact Is you will label this as conspiracy theory. So whats the use of discussing this any way?!
...but as far as you are concerned.......I think we know both the end of the beginning.
Lol Seminole you havent changed a bit, should I TEACH you on how to read names?
I'm not judging you or pretend to know anything about you to judge you personally. I am responding to your posts which is what I think the purpose of this forum is.
I do not support this neo con administration. But nor do I support racist crap in the guise of 'the truth.' Continue to post your communist propaganda, err... I mean" facts". But you should be able to back those "facts"up.
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Personal and judgment of the guppy? Like this where you jumped in? I'm not judging you or pretend to know anything about you to judge you personally. I am responding to your posts which is what I think the purpose of this forum is.
I do not support this neo con administration. But nor do I support racist crap in the guise of 'the truth.' Continue to post your communist propaganda, err... I mean" facts". But you should be able to back those "facts"up.
You mean the way you fact post here? Not a single arguement of yours was backed by proofs. I at least provided you a very valid link.
I'm not sure, Seminole. But your views and opinion reflect anything else than being part of the Democrats camp - a neutral stance on politics is not yours.