Re: The Indian Story
^ Read Milibands comments again and you will realise what he is saying. He has categorically refuted your foreign ministers lie, which by the way were based on the evidence provided by your govt to UK.
When Mumbai events unfolded....
1) Initially it was said these are elements within India ....
2) Then it was said these are "non state actors" ... whatever that means ....
3) Now everyone (internationally) accepts that these "actors" came from Pakistan .....
4) Today Pakistan is trying to desperately show that the "state" is not involved with these actors....
Yet there is no proof of anything ........
Its been proven and widely accepted that LeT was behind this attack and LeT was created and is controlled by ISI (a Pakistani state agency). Its hard to swallow that ISI was not aware of this attack in its planning stage and that points to its being involved in the attack.
Funny that it is hard to swallow for you people while the rest of the world has no problem with it. To much of Indian media hysteria can effect peoples thinking.
^ Read Milibands comments again and you will realise what he is saying. He has categorically refuted your foreign ministers lie, which by the way were based on the evidence provided by your govt to UK.
he is telling Pakistan to act against the terrorists ... in no uncertain terms ... hope you read that part ...... so as per Miliband where did these terrorists come from !!!!!!!!!1
When Mumbai events unfolded....
1) Initially it was said these are elements within India ....
2) Then it was said these are "non state actors" ... whatever that means ....
3) Now everyone (internationally) accepts that these "actors" came from Pakistan .....
4) Today Pakistan is trying to desperately show that the "state" is not involved with these actors....
Yet there is no proof of anything ........
well Miliband agrees with Pakistan and does not buy your lies and said so in your own country.
Funny that it is hard to swallow for you people while the rest of the world has no problem with it. To much of Indian media hysteria can effect peoples thinking.
if you cannot read the writing on the wall ... what can i say ... everyday someone is coming to Pakisatn and asking them to act against the terrorists ... why is that .....what have they seen ... why they are not blaming "Dakan Mujafdein"
he is telling Pakistan to act against the terrorists ... in no uncertain terms ... hope you read that part ...... so as per Miliband where did these terrorists come from !!!!!!!!!1
Point is about the lie by your foreign minister regarding Pakistan state elements involvement which you keep ignoring.
well Miliband agrees with Pakistan and does not buy your lies and said so in your own country.
Try to read international press and not the "local" papers ... he has asked Paksitan to act agaisnt the terrorist in Pakistan .... end of it
Point is about the lie by your foreign minister regarding Pakistan state elements involvement which you keep ignoring.
The west realizes how unstable Pakistan is and by blaming the Pak government, it will unwittingly strengthen the jehadi elements in Pak & push Pak towards anarchy.
That does not mean they buy Pak's lies.
Try to read international press and not the "local" papers ... he has asked Paksitan to act agaisnt the terrorist in Pakistan .... end of it
You quoted BBC, read that report again, real eye opener instead of the hysteria you get form your own media
Nice try. Think of something else. You people cant digest anything which does not agree with what your hysterical media says. well the UK FM said it in your own country so digest it.
The point is clear yes Pakistan based group was involved and that is what the world is saying that Pakistan should act against them and I have the same view that we must act against such elements
However the point here is the lie by your FM that elements of Pakistan state were involved, Miliband refuted that based on evidence submitted by your govt.
Your response still makes no sense since you have not given me any examples of how India meddles in Pak's internal affairs. Nil ! Zip !! Nada !!!
My response wouldn't make sense to you because it hurts your feelings when India's problems are magnified, yet you find it quite alright pointing fingers at Pakistan. Try to be less sensitive, and brave up to criticism.
More subterfuge and still no answer 
Carry on…
I quote AB's post -
What Indian FM has said ..... Pakistan state "elements" were involved
What British FM has said ..... He did not believe the attacks had been *"directed by the Pakistani state". *
hope you understand the english language to know the difference ...... India has never blamed the "Pakistani state" as a whole .... but it has doubts about "elements" within the establishment which could be responsible.
In the end what matters is what actions are taken ... not words .... Pakistan has agreed on Qasab ... has held JuD and LeT leadership ...more to come
Miliband never said that Pakistan state was not involved - he just said that it was not directly involved. That does not rule out the possibility of rogue ISI being involved behind the sleeping government's back.
And knowing Pakistan that is pretty likely. No one had forgotten Kargil in 1999, when the prime minister had no clue about what the army chief was up to.
I quote AB's post -
Miliband never said that Pakistan state was not involved - he just said that it was not directly involved. That does not rule out the possibility of rogue ISI being involved behind the sleeping government's back.
And knowing Pakistan that is pretty likely. No one had forgotten Kargil in 1999, when the prime minister had no clue about what the army chief was up to.
read again what Miliband said and this time read it slowly:
"*I have said publicly that I do not believe that the attacks were directed by the Pakistani state and I think it's important to restate that," Mr Miliband said. *
Now what did you expect Miliband to do stand there and list all the organs of Paksitan state and deny their involvement one by one.
Stop trying to twist what he said.
The point is clear yes Pakistan based group was involved and that is what the world is saying that Pakistan should act against them and I have the same view that we must act against such elements
However the point here is the lie by your FM that elements of Pakistan state were involved, Miliband refuted that based on evidence submitted by your govt.
Well it is a good start .... so you are agreeing that the terrorists came from Pakistan ...... now how you can say that without evidence, i dont know. But i will accept it.
Coming back to Miliband ..... the attacks were not "directed" by "Pakistan state" ........ chew on this for a few days ..... as you did about Pakistan's non involvement in the Mumbai attacks .....
They were even trying to stop the SL cricket tour of Pakistan. talk about being ridiculous and having inferioirty complex.
So this is internal affairs to you !When did Sri Lanka became part of Pakistan ?
If Pakistan buys something from outside Pakistan then it does not become an internal affairs of Pakistan any more.
read again what Miliband said and this time read it slowly:
"*I have said publicly that I do not believe that the attacks were directed by the Pakistani state and I think it's important to restate that," Mr Miliband said. *
Now what did you expect Miliband to do stand there and list all the organs of Paksitan state and deny their involvement one by one.
Stop trying to twist what he said.
Its a very polite way for Miliband to say that the govt of Pak did not "direct" the terror strike. Thats pretty obvious since that would have been an act of war by Pak. However, he stopped short of saying that no element of Pak state is involved.
You need to read between the lines here, dude. Its not what he said thats important, its what he did not say.
This is normal diplomatic posturing and both countries do it ....... even Pakistan gets all fired up when India gets some deal ... hope you have not forgotten the nucelar deal ...
As far as balls are concerned .... Pakistan has felt the "heat" in '71 'nough said for now.
No, there's a lot more to be said. If all you can do is harp on what happened 38 years ago, then that alone proves you have very little to say. But if you will, your asses were kicked twice before that. A lot has changed since '71, and the yellowbellies of your leaders proves it.
Again. India = All talk, but when the time comes to play, India is afraid to get hurt in the playground.
India......what a joke.
No, there's a lot more to be said. If all you can do is harp on what happened 38 years ago, then that alone proves you have very little to say. But if you will, your asses were kicked twice before that. A lot has changed since '71, and the yellowbellies of your leaders proves it.
Again. India = All talk, but when the time comes to play, India is afraid to get hurt in the playground.
India......what a joke.
'71 was more then a kick in the ass ... i would have explaied in detail on what it amounts to but then it will be digressing from the topic........
Even today .... for all the crying and shouting ....Pakistan has been made to act .... by "diplomatic pressure" from India. Miliband and others have in no uncertain terms told Pakistan that they had to act against the terrorists ... even though it harps on the "evidence" ... don't know what evidence they saw about Qasab being a Pakistani ...... but in the end did a u turn ... as they usually do ....
So to be honest India's talk is as effective as its play .....