In most communities the Freemasons meet to further the interests of local businesses. They are a "secret" society in that members are supposed to keep meeting activities and discussions to themselves. But they do not hide the fact that they exist. The only requirement to become a member is to beleive in "one god" so that includes Jews, Christians and Muslims. Since one of their purposes is to foster growth in business I'm sure that there are many powerful people in the Freemasons but as far as some kind of widespread evil master-plan is just one of those fun consiracy theory type things. IMHO.
My grandfather was a mason way back in the great depression days and was recognized by his community as helping many, many people in need. He was in no way a satanist or anything remotely resembling evil!
Anyway, if you wonder about them, what they do and what they stand for why not find your local chapter and go to a meeting?!
^ ever heard of a pyramid scheme? where the ones on top get it all.. it's exactly the same cocncept in these societies, there are degrees, levels if you want to call it.. where the ones on the bottom don't know what the people above them know, and so on.. if you have time, you should watch this series "The Arrivals"
these rituals if they do exist, are an assurance to 'lucifer' or shaytaan that the human will obey..
the term freemasons came from those who helped build the so called temple of solomon.. dunno
but what we know as Muslims is that dajjal is real and imam mahdi and Isa alaysalam will come.
the intiation rituals from entered apperentice to mster mason, which btw is the highest level do exist and at that rite the holy book is used to swear in.
as far as freemasons coming from temple of solomon, the funny thing is that the only people who claim that as a fact are masons and their opponents and not the real researchers.
why would they not accept polytheists?
^ ever heard of a pyramid scheme? where the ones on top get it all.. it's exactly the same cocncept in these societies, there are degrees, levels if you want to call it.. where the ones on the bottom don't know what the people above them know, and so on.. if you have time, you should watch this series "The Arrivals"
That is true, there are levels of membership and people have to prove themselves over a period of time to get to the master mason level.
What level are you to have such detailed knowledge as you claim or what level are the people who write about these things? The rituals of Ancient lodge of Free and Accepted Masons are not written down and only passed verbally.
true, only verbally passed on. there are bound to people who escape all this, and spill the "beans".. that is how we come to know of whatever little we know. but other than what they tell researchers, there is historical evidence too we can look at which these people relate to. example of how the Jew casted a magic spell on our Prophet (pbuh) and angel Gabriel told the Prophet how to reverse it..
You know the biggest problem i have with conspiracy theories is that it takes you nowhere. It does not leave you any option of making a plan to succeed coz the rules of game are not known.
Loool !!! Plot judeo-freemason against the world (and the poor Muslims) ??? I saw all your videos (in fact, I have already seen them before), personaly I don't believe seriously in this "plot". I think people are paranoiac. Okay, there are in this world some people who are opportunist and who can do everything to get what they want even betraying their partners/allies but I don't believe in a secret and evil organisation that leads the world and does satanic rituals...
It close to paranoia !!
Please, don't see ennemies everywhere ! By adhering to those theories, we actually put the blame on the others and we justify our inability to act ! By believing in those kind of theories, people don't feel responsible of their lot anymore !
We must fight everyday but we must stop crying conspiracy once the things are going badly!
PS : with pictures, we can make people believe anything !
true, only verbally passed on. there are bound to people who escape all this, and spill the "beans".. that is how we come to know of whatever little we know. but other than what they tell researchers, there is historical evidence too we can look at which these people relate to. example of how the Jew casted a magic spell on our Prophet (pbuh) and angel Gabriel told the Prophet how to reverse it..
how is the magic spell realted to masons or illuminati?
with the levels of membership, people can only give half accounts, then the question is that people who leave are mostly people who get booted out so you have a credibility issue there. An organization which is open by invitation only, it is not easy to get in, you can not walk up to a lodge and say I want to join and just join. You have to not only be nominated by a Master Mason, but this person must have known you for a number of years, the petition to extend an invitation to someone is then further supported by other people who have to meet you before you can even be nominated. After nomination a thorough investigation is done on the person, and when that is done the person has to go through various levels of membership a process that takes years before know anything about anything. So people dont escape..the are usually booted out midway through the process, and their statements are rather suspect
I have been reading on this topic for over a decade, , people confuse masons with knights templar, and even then dont know what the knights templar were all about.
I would suggest people read a more balanced book like brothers in blood to get an idea. It does away with conspiracy theories as well as claims of grandeur made by masons themselves to really look at the logic of connections between the current masonic organizations ancient/modern/price hall to masonic guilds and to some masonic society in king solomons time and of accounts like hiram abiff etc.
per my previous note, there are similar books out there that really consider muslims as satanists and mahdi is antichrist etc. just because some dude has put a book together and published it or run some documentary does not mean that becomes a fact. There are books that challeneg abarahamic faiths or islam, but do we just take those books as divine word? (pun intended)
the interesring thing is that its one thing that conspiracy theorists of diff faiths agree on. sadly, these rumours were spread by none other than the roman catholic church when it acted against the rising clout of the knights templar and killed them en masse, and those rumours spread to include masons for various reasons.
how is the magic spell realted to masons or illuminati?
with the levels of membership, people can only give half accounts, then the question is that people who leave are mostly people who get booted out so you have a credibility issue there. An organization which is open by invitation only, it is not easy to get in, you can not walk up to a lodge and say I want to join and just join. You have to not only be nominated by a Master Mason, but this person must have known you for a number of years, the petition to extend an invitation to someone is then further supported by other people who have to meet you before you can even be nominated. After nomination a thorough investigation is done on the person, and when that is done the person has to go through various levels of membership a process that takes years before know anything about anything. So people dont escape..the are usually booted out midway through the process, and their statements are rather
I have been reading on this topic for over a decade, , people confuse masons with knights templar, and even then dont know what the knights templar were all about.
I would suggest people read a more balanced book like brothers in blood to get an idea. It does away with conspiracy theories as well as claims of grandeur made by masons themselves to really look at the logic of connections between the current masonic organizations ancient/modern/price hall to masonic guilds and to some masonic society in king solomons time and of accounts like hiram abiff etc.
per my previous note, there are similar books out there that really consider muslims as satanists and mahdi is antichrist etc. just because some dude has put a book together and published it or run some documentary does not mean that becomes a fact. There are books that challeneg abarahamic faiths or islam, but do we just take those books as divine word? (pun intended)
the interesring thing is that its one thing that conspiracy theorists of diff faiths agree on. sadly, these rumours were spread by none other than the roman catholic church when it acted against the rising clout of the knights templar and killed them en masse, and those rumours spread to include masons for various reasons.
You wasted too much time on this. People who have a firm belief in conspiracy theories will just post another youtube video or a link to another book, and say it's all in there.
haha, there we have it, people starting to come out and call it "conspiracy theory".. theory of evolution is more of a conspiracy theory i think...
anyways, to answer your question X2, what the magic spell has to do with illuminati, well, if we look from an Islamic view, we know there are people in this world that have control of the shayateen. it may be possible that these illuminati are carrying out the same traditions their fathers had, those same people who Prophet Sulayman warned. the dajjalic system is all controlled by these few and it so happens to be they are all part of secret societies with the same interests. it just so happens to be... coincidence?
i try to look at everything from islamic viewpoint and don't really concentrate on the extra stuff. just to the point.
haha, there we have it, people starting to come out and call it "conspiracy theory".. theory of evolution is more of a conspiracy theory i think...
anyways, to answer your question X2, what the magic spell has to do with illuminati, well, if we look from an Islamic view, we know there are people in this world that have control of the shayateen. it may be possible that these illuminati are carrying out the same traditions their fathers had, those same people who Prophet Sulayman warned. the dajjalic system is all controlled by these few and it so happens to be they are all part of secret societies with the same interests. it just so happens to be... coincidence?
i try to look at everything from islamic viewpoint and don't really concentrate on the extra stuff. just to the point.
where is the proof that the spell had to do with illuminati?
or that illuminati or masons are the same thing
or that either of them are satanists
wasnt it somepone who belonged to another abrahamic faith?
I try to look at the stuff from a fact and proof perspective and not conjecture and assumptions.
because the type of conjecture people use to call masons as dajjal (muslism) or antichhrisT (christians) the same type of conjecture is used by some to actually point towards muslims as the antichrist.
At the end of the day it all boils down to one’s comprehension and firmness of his/her grasp on reality
this has zero to do with faith, the point is that if we are going to simply go on assumptions, conjectures and all, then others can do the same to point muslims as devil’s followers, and they have done that. Is that right? its not..so when we call any other group the same, we have to not forget logic and sense.
The prophet has at no place said that masons are illuminati, or that either of those are satanists or either of them are waiting for dajjal. what people are doing is is making leaps of assumptions which can not be supported.
as I said it seems that the one thing that many muslim and christian conspiracy theorists are in agreement on though
At the end of the day it all boils down to one's comprehension and firmness of his/her grasp on reality
this has zero to do with faith, the point is that if we are going to simply go on assumptions, conjectures and all, then others can do the same to point muslims as devil's followers, and they have done that. Is that right? its not..so when we call any other group the same, we have to not forget logic and sense.
The prophet has at no place said that masons are illuminati, or that either of those are satanists or either of them are waiting for dajjal. what people are doing is is making leaps of assumptions which can not be supported.
I was not talking about the illuminatist etc....
I was only pointing out at the statement that muslims are considered followers of anti christ... The traditions in Islam also suggest to muslims who are going to be at the side of Dajjal when he will appear...
illuminati have all the characteristics of those people who will side with dajjal. good lecture by Shaykh Hamza Yusuf on the Dajjal/NWO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZm01kQgwI4
I was only pointing out at the statement that muslims are considered followers of anti christ... The traditions in Islam also suggest to muslims who are going to be at the side of Dajjal when he will appear...
oh dont get me wrong, i understand what you are saying 100%
my point is that when we have conspiracy theorists who have mde everyone from obama or mullah omar to royalty in middle east to the prophet as the antichrist and they have their own leaps of logic to explain it.
Point being..people are doing the same thing to masons or illuminati or even templars. Now could the organization be dodgy and have stuff going on, sure..but the explanations are very weak.
you may be amused to find out that there are theories that illuminati are slaves of a few families like rothschild and a few other families who are not humans but reptiles in disguise and thats where the antichrist will come from.
the interesting thing is that you have to go back and see when it was that our conspiracy theorists were waxing lyrical about illuminati..using that word, and then see when it started getting
sad to say but some of our mouthpieces are no different than anchors on any 24 hrs newschannel, whatever is the flabvour of the day, theya re experts on it all of a sudden even if they had said nothign about it for years before. and that is very telling.
just because someone has all characteristics that someone else would have does not make the two the same.
I mean otherwise we can not get bent out of shape about law enforcement stopping south asian and middle eastern males of a certain age group anf putting then thru extra scrutiny because you know…they have all the same characteristics as the people who are launhing suicide missions all over..
are in writing as prophecies…