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This is such a ridiculous topic. To quote a website which has no credibility and make unsubstantiated is a favourite pastime of some of the posters here. I think this topic would be better off in the jokes section rather than in the world affairs forum.
I am an Indian catholic and a proud one as that. If I say that I have not faced discrimination because of my religious beliefs, I would be saying the absolute truth....
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Wow proud catholic indian.I think these guys in naga land were protestants.This site also contain the statements of what indian parties like BSP have to say about the attrocities of the brahmins.If you question the crediblity of BSP also then my friend there is no democracy in the secular india.Why did the people of UP voted for them.Sham democracy in one of india's most populous state like UP or is it the same case for whole of India.
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Political parties in a democracy behave in almost a predictable fashion. When they are small, they try to be speaking for a section of the 'disadvantaged' populace. When they grow, they realise that such exclusivism will carry them only so far. Then they try to add to their 'target segment'. This was the case, for example, with the DMK, which started off as a separatist party fighting for the tamils. Once it tasted power, all that was given up and has been associating with the ruling party at the centre for decades now.
Bringing in BSP in this discussion is a joke. Once they realised that they have reaped all they can from the dalits, they have turned directions. Their focus is now on the brahmins, whom they think are disillusioned because they have not wielded power for the past three or four decades. And what did they do recently? Organise a mammoth meeting of the brahmins in UP. (They have routinely been giving way more than a quarter of their seats to the so called forward castes even earlier )
This is what democracy does. It forces you to make peace with even those you consider different.
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Can you explain what you have said in this post???
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Namaste & Salaam!
why did they vote? that IS what is called a real democracy…what is sham about it? You have succinctly contradicted yourself.
BYE
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//Can you explain what you have said in this post???//
anjjan why do you make life difficult for this guy. He himself does not know what he is trying to say, forget about articulation. He just wants to say that Brahmins are ruling this country and making life difficult for everybody else.
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RashGuy
You said that the website is not credible if it is not credible then why a party like BSP has statements on it.A party which has a government at the state level should not have made a statement against a particular group.
I think you should see the reports from the International and Independent Human rights groups which show that people from your community as well as other minorities are targetted in India thats the general perspective.If you dont feel any descrimination that is your good fortune.
Booze allin
I think You didnot read the whole post and why i call indian democracy as bogus and sham.If the website is not credible one should doubt the people too.If BSP is using this caste system to its advantage and as a political slogan
Why are the people voting for a party which is talking about dalits rights etc.Is the Dalit population of UP really deprived of basic rights if not why people vote for parties like BSP.The population oF UP is so naive that they only vote for someone of lower caste without knowing the manifesto.Is it real or ideal democracy?????
definition of democracy
DEMOCRACY:a,government by the whole population usually through elected representatives b,State so governed 2 classless and tolerant society
so Indian society is not really democratic because the political parties target a particular class.Real democracy not yet in India
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^ No syed. Even in a democracy, every party will not be able to cater to all the people in that country or state. That is the exact reason why we have a no. of parties fighting it out in a given election. The mandate to govern is also by a majority grouping.
In India where there is such diversities in language, race and culture, the number of parties aspiring to represent such groupings are natural to come into being. BSP is a party which cater to the dalits, manily kurmis in the north Indian planes. They have grown exponentially with a slid vote bank of Dalits. But their growth has now reached its peak, but still they are not able to gather enough seats in the state legislature to get power on their own. Only time they tasted power was with the help of BJP, a so called brahminical party and with the Yadavs. (Samajwad party). Now if they want to get to power again, they need to attract more of the other caste people. They know that and like a good oppurtunist they do all kind of dramas like organising a big brahmin melas and such things.
This is natural. Previous. BJP govt came into existace with so much of regional parties put together.Now the present Congress govt also has some regional parties, previously bitter opposed to the creation of India.
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// think you should see the reports from the International and Independent Human rights groups which show that people from your community as well as other minorities are targetted in India thats the general perspective.If you dont feel any descrimination that is your good fortune.
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Boss, I am living in this country and I dont have to look at Internationational and independent human rights group reports. I understand that there is discrimination happening. But it if few and far in between. I can say proudly..."Neither I nor my christian friends have ever been subjected to discrimination on the basis of my religion" If you still dont believe that I am an India Catholic, I cant help it. I just pity you and your country that is all !!!
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we can put indian christians and pakistani christians in one room and let them exchange openion about which country is fair . there is no blashphemy laws
in india .
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Hope that Indians reply the same way as cscraja and vineshvk.They atleast posted some truth about the Indian politics and the way these parties behave in India.At the same time they gave their point of view.So even if they think that i was wrong they replied in a positive way.I hope that both of them and other Indians will continue to behave in the same way.
Rashguy rvikz pinstripe danda funny jammies and some other indians like you on this website one cant say much about you guys because you people just divert from topics by attacking pakistan and ultimately Islam.Anjjan you sometimes accept india's faults too but most of the times you behave like them booze allin you can be like cscraja and vineshvk
Rvikz
Do you Know anything about blasphemy law of pakistan.Any Idea the best you can do is to search the topic on the net or you have gathered some information from the discussions between pakistanis.There is nothing wrong with blasphemy law a muslim can also be punished through this law.
If someone says bad or abusive language about our religion or prophet he should be punished.But unfortunately people used this law against those with whom they had some old enmity.The fact is majority of those who were wrongfully acccused were people belonging to the minoritiy community.I, just like many other pakistani muslim believe that since this law is mainly used against the minorities it should be repealed or atleast amended.
We accept the problems we face in our country.The flaws in our system but cant argue with some who is wrongheaded.
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^ Right
I have many reports about how the Christians are being persecuted in india from Christain sources themselevs, not anybody else.......by the Christian counccil of India.
They had even passed anti-conversion laws to stop the conversion of Dalits to Christianity, which was seriously taken by Christian missionaries in India......
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india is much more complex and diverse than pakistan since you know only punjabi and kashmir border areas.
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let's see....the people with the worst record of religious intolerance (pakistanis behaving as if they have a monopoly on islam and God) have the temerity to criticise the country with the best record of religious tolerance (India where Hindu. muslim, christian, Bhuddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Judaism all have lived and flourished for ages).....
some joke these guys!
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^ He is an old guy with new ID 
I know you dude
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Religious Atmosphere:
India’s population is 80% Hindu, 12% Muslim, and 2.4% Christian.
Both Muslims and Christians have been the object of attack by Hindu extremists who want to make India a Hindu state.
A COMPLETE ITENERARY OF CRIMES AGAINST CHRISTIANS FOR THE YEARS 2000-03
READ AT: http://persecution.org/Countries/india.html
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//I have many reports about how the Christians are being persecuted in india from Christain sources themselevs, not anybody else.......by the Christian counccil of India.
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Just by saying that you have many reports that the christians are being persecuted in India does not counter my statement---"Being an Indian Catholic I have never ever faced discrimination in India". There are sporadic incidents of discrimination and these council just hype them up to be in the news. The very fact that we are just discussing about discrimination and not about laws are being subverted to serve the interests of the majority shows how tolerant the indian society is compared to some of the comparable socities in the sub-continent..
//A COMPLETE ITENERARY OF CRIMES AGAINST CHRISTIANS FOR THE YEARS 2000-03 //
In any country for any matter there would be persecution based on religious beliefs. Can you name one country where there are none. India is a place where different cultures have assimilated to form a homogenous country. Yes it is a matter of perception whether we are homogenous. I (a catholic) can claim my country to be homogenous with equal oppourtunities to excel in any field irrespective of my religious beliefs. I dont have to give examples..They are just poster boys for them. If the country really practised discrimination on a large scale what is the necessity of poster boys..
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This isn’t true. There has never been and will never be an ‘anti-conversion law’ in India; any court will strike it down as against being fundamental rights. The constitution provides for not just the right to practice any religion, but the right to preach it as well.
What was banned in a couple of states (and taken back in most) was ‘forcible conversion’ or luring people to convert by enticing them with money or jobs or such other things. The laws only required that if a ‘mass conversion’ event was organised, the organisors needed to inform the state government about it, give the names of the converts and give an undertaking that no force or allurement was used. Even this was hyped as an anti-minority move and in states like Tamil Nadu was quickly withdrawn.
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oh yar.. and it is these religious groupings that grow fast compared to Hindus.
Who said there are no crimes. This is one billion people. Thats a lot of people wilth different levels of intelligence and literacy. There are crimes. But State do not ban muslim girls from wearing Burqa to schools, colleges or anywhere, we do not ban mosques from calling for prayers. We dont ban people to jails for blasphemy. A poor muslim fisherman’s son could be the president of India, a dalit whos family occupation is to climb coconut trees can also president of India. Is that because of prosecution. Or the State choose just these two people and raise them to be poster boys. Strange right.