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O my God, is Pakistani govt out of mind. They gave a public holiday for people to protest? Was the PM high on something when he decided that?
I think the PM is afraid of meeting the same fate as Salman Taseer. He is afraid of some radical killing him without remorse and then become a hero for the masses.
Just like in case of Taseer, saner Muslims would do nothing but condemn.
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O my God, is Pakistani govt out of mind. They gave a public holiday for people to protest? Was the PM high on something when he decided that?
what else you can expect from a highly educated (fake degree) PM.
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So far 13 Dead on these “Peaceful” protest day.
I was pretty close. I predicted atleast 10 dead.
Thirteen killed as protests turn violent on
KARACHI: At least 13 people died and nearly 200 were wounded in Pakistan during violent protests on Friday condemning a film insulting Islam, defying a government call for only peaceful demonstrations, officials said.
Nine people were killed in Karachi, the country’s largest city, and four in the northwestern city of Peshawar, hospital officials said.
The combined total of wounded in Karachi, Peshawar and in the capital Islamabad was 195.
Doctor Mohammad Shafqat of Karachi’s Jinnah hospital told AFP that it had received four dead bodies and 65 people with injuries, with more wounded arriving.
Doctor Mohammad Ayub at the Civil Hospital, said his medics had received five dead bodies, including that of a police officer, and at least 40 injured.
The policeman was killed in an exchange of fire with protesters in Karachi, police official Mohammad Shakeel said.
Thousands took to the streets in a series of different demonstrations across Karachi, home to an estimated 18 million, to condemn the film, “Innocence of Muslims”.
Scuffles broke out when protesters tried to march towards the US consulate, throwing stones at police and trying to remove shipping containers that blocked the road, police said.
Officers fired off tear gas shells and fired into the air to disperse the crowd, but three policemen were wounded by gunfire from an unknown direction, Shakeel said.
In the northwestern city of Peshawar, the Lady Reading Hospital said it had three dead, including a TV station employee who was shot when protesters set alight and ransacked a cinema.
Doctor Farman at Khyber Teaching Hospital, who used only one name, confirmed that another body had been brought in after the demonstrations.
Hospital doctors in Peshawar gave a combined total of 60 people wounded.
Situation in Islamabad
Protesters in Islamabad resorted to rioting and set alight the toll plaza between Rawalpindi and Islamabad after ransacking it. The plaza is situated near an Afghan refugee camp.
Section 144 was subsequently imposed in Islamabad and its adjoining areas prohibiting violent protests and weapons display.
The Deputy Commissioner of Islamabad Amir Ali Ahmed said only peaceful processions would be allowed to take place. To ensure that, authorities were monitoring Islamabad’s Red-zone via CCTV cameras.
Later on, the protests turned relatively peaceful as hundreds demonstrated outside the five-star Serena Hotel, where the road to the heavily guarded diplomatic enclave was sealed off.
Situation in Peshawar
Angry demonstrators armed with clubs and sticks set fire to and ransacked two cinemas in Peshawar, where at one person was killed 15 others were wounded by gun shots, tear gas and stone throwers, said the Lady Reading Hospital.
Muhammad Amir, a driver working for a private TV channel died after being shot and critically wounded, said Doctor Mukhtar Khan, head of the Lady Reading Hospital.
Situation in Karachi
A policeman was killed along with four others in an exchange of fire with protesters in Karachi, police official Mohammad Shakeel said.
Scuffles broke out when protesters tried to march towards the US consulate, throwing stones at police and trying to remove shipping containers that blocked the road, police said.
Officers fired off tear gas shells and fired into the air to disperse the crowd, but three policemen were wounded by gunfire from an unknown direction, Shakeel said.
“They were shifted to hospital where one of our constables died,” he added.
Three cinemas were set alight in Karachi — two on Karachi’s Muhammad Ali Jinnah road and one in the city’s Quaidabad area. Moreover, three private banks were also set on fire near Karachi’s PIDC.
Earlier today, police had told AFP they were on maximum alert and that bomb disposal squads were sweeping planned locations of rallies to ensure that extremists could not exploit protests to cause carnage.
“All the entry and exit points of the city are heavily guarded. Helicopters are on stand-by for aerial surveillance,” provincial police chief Fayyaz Laghari had told AFP.
“We have deployed our maximum police force to the sensitive parts of the city to ensure security during protest rallies today.”
Situation in Rawalpindi
In Rawalpindi, clashes broke out when scores of demonstrators pelted cars and police with stones, and burnt down a booth at a toll plaza, police official Mohammad Munir said.
An AFP reporter said police fired tear gas and live rounds into the air in a bid to disperse stone throwers and hundreds of protesters at the entry point to Islamabad, which was blocked off by shipping containers.
Situation in Lahore
Demonstrators and police clashed during the protests against the anti-Islam film in Lahore.
Enraged protestors also tried to enter the premises of the US Consulate in Lahore.
Moreover, demonstrators ransacked public property and set several cars alight.
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^^ Trust me, it is a single person. people who are proponent of freedom of speech have no leader. every man speaks for himself and acts in its own capacity.
Religion should be immune to ridicule. it should be rightly made fun of so it can be tested. I know you love your prophet, so you should show that to the world. they will respect it. but right now these people are only showing that how much insecure they are and how much they hate everything western. Show the love, not the hate.
Peace kaka_in_usa
On what basis do you say "religion should be immune to ridicule"? It is not the religion being ridiculed, it is the people who follow that religion who are being ridiculed. People aught to have tact ... That is what you should be saying ...
I love my prophet more than you love you mother most probably ... This statement may make you take offence now think about someone insulting your mother ... And then on top of that people ask you to stay cool about it ... Because you have to be tested ...it is a nonesensical argument. There are things that everyone holds dear ... The Western powers hold fossil fuels dear to their hearts ... Prevent them from getting that fossil fuel and they will be the biggest crazy maniacs ... The Jews hold the idea of the holocaust dear to their hearts ... Deny them that and they will make sure to fuss over it in courts ... And may even cause real strife on other political platforms.
We don't see it fit to annoy anyone on their beliefs ... Even if those beliefs are what they actually believe but absurd ... Like the concept of polytheism ... We can make fun of that too ... But we don't ... our teacher Muhammad (SAW) taught us by the Word of Allah (SWT) that we are not to do that ... Instead of reciprocating that consideration to us ... Instead you and your like see it fit to insult and that on a basis which is extremely absurd and a pack of lies ... It is definitely done to annoy us ...
This is not freedom of speech ... This is provocation.
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^^ A religion , if true and really by god would be immune to all the mundane things. Even god would be immune to worldly things. you may disagree , and i understand that.
but you cant love a prophet more than i love my mother. You dont know me. Mother comes before gods and prophets dont even come close in the list. Again, i know it is difference of our beliefs, but i care less about gods (and i have a strong faith) as gods themselves said that they arent more important than ones parents.
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Without directing at any particular faith, In India and Pakistan combined, # of tax evaders are quite high. Child labor, poor and unsafe working conditions, poor pay, lack of proper food clothing shelter healthcare are the main problems. Maybr indiaxhas worse conditions - or not - besides the point. If folks spent their energy righting this imbalance I have no doubt Rama AND Allah would be infinitely happier.
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^^ A religion , if true and really by god would be immune to all the mundane things. Even god would be immune to worldly things. you may disagree , and i understand that.
but you cant love a prophet more than i love my mother. You dont know me. Mother comes before gods and prophets dont even come close in the list. Again, i know it is difference of our beliefs, but i care less about gods (and i have a strong faith) as gods themselves said that they arent more important than ones parents.
Yes, I gathered you would give me that response about your mother. Now imagine people making twisted films about her your very mother. How would you react?
Should you be immune to ridicule ... Or should your mother be immune to ridicule? It is a weird thing to say ... Isn't it? When it came to our prophet (SAW) people did ridicule him and he showed magnanimity, but those who love him were ready to chop off the heads of those people who tried to ridicule him (SAW) ... A taunt is a taunt and it should not be made in the name of freedom of speech.
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^^ You cannot compare my mother with muhammad. like i said already, he is no where close to her. Well unless he is reincarnation of goddess durga. :)
I give you a better example, if someone makes an offensive movie about some god whould i get offended. No sir i wont, now certainly god/allah is more important than muhammad right? I want protection from god, god doesnt need my protection.
I make fun of god everyday and i know he is immune to it and will forgive me.
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^^ You cannot compare my mother with muhammad. like i said already, he is no where close to her. Well unless he is reincarnation of goddess durga. :)
I give you a better example, if someone makes an offensive movie about some god whould i get offended. No sir i wont, now certainly god/allah is more important than muhammad right? I want protection from god, god doesnt need my protection.
I make fun of god everyday and i know he is immune to it and will forgive me.
Peace kaka_in_usa
No, I'm not talking about deities ... You can easily insult your own deities ... I've seen it happen. But your weak spot is your mother ... Now in order to understand the Muslims you have to put Muhammad (SAW) for us, where you put your own mothers for yourselves ...
It has nothing to do with how we perceive him in status, but about our attachment to him ... As I said earlier it confuses you for us to have love for someone even more than our own selves and mothers ... There are other people in the world who don't think much of their mothers, I have to use a different example for them ...
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No i am not talking about deities. I am talking about GODS. My mother is not my weak spot but she is my strength. Please dude, stop comparing her with the likes of muhammad, i am kinda getting offended now.
Answer me this, is muhammad more important than Allah?
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So a stupid YouTube-er made a little video and this was the response? Death and destruction? To none other than Muslims themselves?
The 13 people that died…that are gone…never coming back…their death was in response to a home video?
Does anyone see the logic here? Or how stupid we look as a qaum?