- It’s good that you’ve read all those links.. but I dont have time to read all those and correct them all here.. so I’ll go with the first point in the first link.. and remember you said it doesn’t seems fake to you..
Here I go, first of all, link you shared is a website of a person name Vexen Crabtree.. He is an atheist, student of sociology, psychology and religion, and so he is not any scientist/doctor who have any authority to claim Quran is wrong scientifically/factually/logically.. so debate can be dismissed, but no, I will talk about his first point..
**And yet I am supposed to read the stuff you spout against scientific theories and give it full weight? **
He literally seems an anti-muslim preacher and he (claims) is a satanist (lol).. he raised and is talking about the points he like in Bible.. and so to that he is taking point from new testament version or to say he didnt bother to read from “Old Testament” or maybe he dont believe it.. and FYI, I believe in Bible as a Holy Book, and I love Jesus.. He is our Beloved Prophet just like our other Beloved Prophets.. and I believe in unchanged version of Old Testament.. but, this Vexen Crabtree misinterpreted Quran’s translation.. can I (lmfao) now because he copy pasted translation from another website and he literally dont have any clue, knowledge or idea about arabic and literature.. everyone can check his profile on facebook.. he seems weak to me and it’s a waste of time to argue about his pointless philosophy..
**Him being an odd character doesn’t detract from his critiques. Also, how is him critiquing religion being “anti Muslim”? **
However, he quoted Quran’s Aayahs, Surat-ul-Ra’ad, verse # 2 and Surat-ul-Luqman, verse # 10,
English Translation.. “Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see”
Mr. Vexen’s philosophical explanation: At first glance this may be read as simple mythology; it isn’t saying there are really pillars holding up the heavens. Hence, the correct doctrine that the Earth is a planet orbiting the sun with no particular place “above” the earth, is compatible. However, it says without pillars that you can see. This means there are pillars you can’t see. Perhaps, a force such as gravity? There is no such force - the heavens aren’t held up in any way at all; gravity formed the Earth - “the heavens” is simply our view of the universe’s stars. Although this verse is not a direct contradiction of science, it was surely written by someone who didn’t know what the structure of the Universe really was, or, by someone who writes poor analogies!
Real Urdu Translation & Tafseer: “ALLAH wo hai jisne aasmaanon ko aise saharon ke baghair buland kiya jo tumhain nazar nahi aate, phir USne arsh per qaraar pakra aur suraj aur chaand ko aik khaas qanoon ka paaband banaya, har cheez aik muqararah muddat tak ke liye hai, WOHI is qaayenaat ke nizaam ki tadbeer kerta hai aur apni nishaniyaan tafseelan beyaan kerta hai takay tum log apne Rab se mulaqaat ka yaqeen karo”..
Scientific point of the Aayahs: “ALLAH created sky, planets, universe and everything and placed it perfectly in space without any pillars”.. which means there are no pillars but force which is holding everything in universe, which is according to modern science is known as Space plasma and Dark matter as well.. different opinions/theories of different scientists.. however, Mr. Vexen tried his best to mislead others, but he cant ever prove it with his phateecher knowledge and illogical philosophy.. and in-short, this guy dont know any literature or deep literature so he could understand the actual meaning of the Aayahs.. (lmfao)..
Simply saying “there are no pillars” does not include an implied statement of “force” being the thing holding the universe together. All the verse said was “there are no pillars.” This is just you inserting in the bit about force to make it look scientific. Does not count, sorry sis!
- Ouch!!! did you say out of parody and didnt notice that I cross questioned you
maybe my bad that I did that..
You were just incoherently yapping, which is why I said you were beyond parody.
btw I love history and love to read about ancient civilizations, I give them full credit.. but how ancient people can tell that Earth is not round but spherical?? why they suffered and not built easy ways for convenience?? why dont we have ancient books about science and geography if they were so wonderfully intelligent??
The Earth is round and spherical buddy. There are literally ancient texts on a variety of subjects from different places that had their findings that they could discover with what information they had. I do not think you like history as much as you claim you do.
but again, this isnt the point.. the point is you said when Islam was founded.. but I say Islam is there since ever, since the time of Adam and Eve, since ALLAH created humans.. so I cant agree with you..
**There is no debate here. Islam was founded in the 7th century just like Christianity and Judaism were founded before Islam. Also, the first modern humans (homo sapiens) evolved around 200,000 years ago. There doesn’t seem to be Islam or any Abrahamic religion present then. . . . **
P.S: You said/believe you aint an atheist, so do you believe that Adam & Eve were the first human on earth??
Just because I am not atheist does not mean I believe in that. I do not believe Adam and Eve were the first humans on Earth.
P.S-2: Did you know ancient Italy(long before Etruscan) and surroundings faced an outrageous/massive destructions??
Did you know that Dinosaurs went extinct a long time ago?
