Re: Terrorists storm Peshawar school, Scores of students killed
This is not a routine separate movement! These guys have warped views on religion, behead anyone that disagrees with them, are interested in taking over all of Pakistan and Afghanistan and frankly the entire world.
This is nothing like the fight for independence like Indians and Pakistanis in 1947.
A Conflict is a conflict and reasons could be social, ethnic or religious. It is best if the conflicts are solved without going to wars. Pakistan at the moment has disturbances in both KPK and in Baluchistan. The Population of Baluchs is approximately 7 million and that of the tribal area in KPK is about 3,341,070 people, or roughly 2% of Pakistan's population, its not advisable to wage war on a population of millions. I think we need to change strategy and** win hearts and minds of the people instead of using the hard military solution.
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Re: Terrorists storm Peshawar school, Scores of students killed
I think people need to be very clear about this issue. Either you go one one side or another side . There is no more in the middle opinion. Ppl. should either be against TTP or with TTP and to be dealt accordingly.
Time for why Taliban acting like this is gone. They ( and their near bys ) are like heroine addict which are not possible to return to normal.
Even their kids are looking daily at their right and left and they see only one thing in future that they have to grow up and kill some pakistani people. They dont have any other future plan except be ready to kill more people.
Re: Terrorists storm Peshawar school, Scores of students killed
I just saw a clip, couple of desi friends posted on Facebook of Mubashir Luqman saying that indian RAW did this attack and not Talibans. Talibans were just a cover. And most of the people were commenting there like yeah, raw did it. There is no cure for stupid qom. For how long would people of Pakistan protect and hide the barbaric acts of Talibans?
Re: Terrorists storm Peshawar school, Scores of students killed
I just saw a clip, couple of desi friends posted on Facebook of Mubashir Luqman saying that indian RAW did this attack and not Talibans. Talibans were just a cover. And most of the people were commenting there like yeah, raw did it. There is no cure for stupid qom. For how long would people of Pakistan protect and hide the barbaric acts of Talibans?
You can never trust on Mubashar Luqman , Corrupt and sick
Re: Terrorists storm Peshawar school, Scores of students killed
Horrible Images of brutality taken by one of the SSG Commander who
took part in Operation and amazing is that still some people giving justifications here …
Re: Terrorists storm Peshawar school, Scores of students killed
Taliban sympathizers must be proud. Hope they all burn in hell. These pics are too graphic for me. Those kids are still in fetal position hiding when they are shot. I can't believe how anyone can condemn this with "ifs" and "buts". There shouldn't be ifs and buts anymore when it comes to wiping out these Talibans. And those blaming India, it's crazy.
Re: Terrorists storm Peshawar school, Scores of students killed
The Dogs of Hell
Imam Aḥmad, Ibn Mājah, and al-Ḥākim recorded a Ḥadīth from Ibn Abī Awfá, and Aḥmad
and al-Ḥākim also recorded it from Abū Umāmah that the Prophet (PBUH) said:
** اخلَوَارِجُ كِالبُ النَّارِ**
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“The Khawārij are the Dogs of Hell.”**
“Dogs of the Hellfire, dogs of the Hellfire! The most evil of killers that are killed under the sky.” [1]
[1] Narrated by Aḥmed in his ‘Musnad‘, ibn Abī Shaybah in his ‘Muṣannaf’, at-Tirmidhee in his ‘Sunaan’ he declared it to be ‘ḥasan’. Tabrāni and Ḥākim in his ‘ṣaḥīḥ’ on the conditions of Muslim, ath-Thahabi said it wasṣaḥīḥ.
Looking at the pictures , one can see the resemblance !
The time has come to draw a line between the apologists and enemies of terrorists: @**sherryrehman**](https://twitter.com/sherryrehman) #**PeshawarAttack**](https://twitter.com/hashtag/PeshawarAttack?src=hash)
Re: Terrorists storm Peshawar school, Scores of students killed
*but?
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This is who I call an apologist.
Start and end with peace to all. Add plenty of Quranic references. But sprinkle in plenty of "reasons", and "buts" and "ifs".
You speak as though that area was peaceful and trouble free and Pakistan army decided to get involved and "murder" their children. And thus it's the army who are the aggressor and have committed acts that we paying for.
We don't want these justifications. You may not realize it, but you are an apologist. Yes Islam doesn't allow this. You know the best way to get the Taliban morons to understand it? Stop providing them false reasons and justifications.
Children and innocents are not "DELIBERATELY" attacked. There is no BUT or pargraph full of hidden justifications and "reasons why this happened" for that.
Your love for Islam will not be in doubt if you were a little black and white on what is supposed to be black and white. No Slaughter of innocents.
I am absolute on this ... I do not condone any slaughter of innocents - the "but" is merely an internalisation of a situation (that what did we do wrong in this?) it is not apologetics or sympathy - it is the necessary change needed when we form strategies - we cannot see this situation as one that operates in a vacuum - the TTP they are not orcs that are raised by an army of evil demons; unprovoked ... and I would say the same to them - that the children of anyone even if they are the army people's children - they are innocent and it is haram to hurt them in any way ... The problem is we are not ready to change ... if we continue to address this situation with blood thirst vengeance through unjust means then we are no different to the terrorists. How can this discourse be equivalent to siding with the terrorists?
I'm calling them what they are ...terrorists ... I believe they have no political ground and zero moral ground and for the stronger of the two sides (the army, government, people) to use a form of violence that did exactly the thing you say ... "slaughter of innocents" then what ramifications will there be from the minds of those who are already extreme? Yes their innocent losses were collateral and their reaction was intentional and was evil ... They did have innocents that were slaughtered ... Did we expect anything less from extremists? But the problem I am focusing on is how we are ignoring the killing of ALL innocents and in addition after this attack by them we are ready to do the same to them and their families ... I see no difference in mindset - the Pakistanis on the whole are no different to the TTP. You cannot criminalise the voice that I present - to do so will harm Pakistan even more because this position will be taken by those who wish to see morality restored and by taking out the people who want morality you will expose the country to the Wrath of God. The people of good who are in Pakistan are the reason why Allah (SWT) has not yet destroyed it ... speak to them ... the first thing we need to ask for is patience and the second thing we need to ask for is wisdom.
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The abuse of the blasphemy law has set the precedence for the abuse of terror act … Which independent arbitrator will assess who is being an apologist and who is speaking for moral high ground? Will this turn out to be a “If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists” #bushisms](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=bushisms) … logical fallacy?
What about those who are neither with the terrorists nor with the official state position?
Dogmatically the Jihadists of any kind cannot be more different to the position I take … following my teachers who denounce personal power and leadership and I follow - we have no desire for power … Jihadists do … they are misled and you can see in all places on this forum how I denounce their position or any Islamic legitimacy - however I see injustice from an unbiased point of view.
If you had a senior member of the TTP in a car that you have planted a bomb in and he was travelling with his 9 year old son … would you call for the bomb to be detonated? If yes then look internally at the ugliness of that act … if no, then welcome to morality … this is no arbitary situation - it really happened … the particular Shaykh was asked to give his advice and he knew it would be a tactical advantage, but he prohibited the act sternly … he said that would be a moral crime.
These are no words of a person who sides with terrorists … these are words of people who view the actions of the state and rebels both as terrorism … it is the moral anchor you lot need.
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Can someone please remove the pictures of all the dead here children especially and those horrid men ... from desert bird's posts ... 1) We need to respect the dead children 2) We need to respect ourselves and not expose our hearts to such imagery ... Please remove them.
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you know what…there is no moral anchor that i need…sometimes in your life you have to look through a black and white lens to come to certain conclusions. PERIOD
Subjective morality and what-if type debates are OK but we have no time for that kind of debate on terrorism issue in Pak. if a 9 yr son is sitting in TTP commander then that TTP commander is responsible for his death becasue that TTP commander has chosen to adopt a destructive path for himself which rest of the society absolutely does not approve. and when he decided to do it, he put his life and his family life to risk.
