Re: Teacher threatening to kick me out of school
She said she will write me up once and the faculty will not be allowed to write me any letter of recommendations anymore.
My new question is: Do grad schools call previous colleges to ask questions? Because now she was telling me that if any schools call, they will not recommend me.
Not in US ... unless you add your adviser as a reference and give them a phone number.
Btw, am i the only one thinking that you should be the one suing the school
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There is a protocol for issuing disciplinary infractions and expelling someone requires a hearing - lawyers are usually involved on both sides because of the liability and impact.
I find your advisers action to be bullying and coercive. Like Paheli said - everything should be done in writing and find an advocate (are their student unions etc.) who can represent you?
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There is a protocol for issuing disciplinary infractions and expelling someone requires a hearing - lawyers are usually involved on both sides because of the liability and impact.
In addition to this, ^ disciplinary actions usually aren't dictated or decided by one person. It is most often a committee, so it seems rather odd to me that your adviser is making it appear as if the decision lies solely in her hands. Like others have stated, your adviser seems to be quite coercive and bullying.
I'd also like to comment on something else. Loads of people on here have stated that if the offending comment is on your "personal" facebook page, then the school cannot do anything. In my experience, this is not true. Your "personal" facebook page is not untouchable nor is it "personal" in that it is visible to others. I've known people who've faced disciplinary action at uni or at their jobs as a result of things they had posted on their facebook pages. If the you make comments that involve your university/workplace/other organisation you're affiliated with, there can definitely be consequences, especially if said comments are negative, offensive, or badly reflect the organisation. Whether or not this merits expulsion and what you can do about it is another matter.
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Talk to your Dean, she seems to be bullying, drop a course if you can to avoid her or shift to someone else if possible.
Student ombudsman is one other person you can go to. This person is not going to back off, so you can't be passive.
If she is wrong, then you going to the administration will sort her out, but before that make sure you have her accusations and threats in writing.
If she is right, then still getting the right people involved helps because university has an appeals process. Unless what someone did is of an extreme nature... Hacking, assault, etc it's very unlikely that they can give you two infractions for one activity and boot you.
You need to read your student handbook and university policy.
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There is a protocol for issuing disciplinary infractions and expelling someone requires a hearing - lawyers are usually involved on both sides because of the liability and impact.
I find your advisers action to be bullying and coercive. Like Paheli said - everything should be done in writing and find an advocate (are their student unions etc.) who can represent you?
I do not know whether I should find an attorney because our school policy is that until an action is made and I have gone through the process of appealing it, contacting an attorney is not appropriate.
She is not threatening to expel me anymore. She will be writing me up for a major infraction. This means that there will be something on my record so faculty will be told not to write me letter of recommendation. I do not know what she will write yet and whether I should sign it or not. I want this to be over and just graduate in 55 days. But I do not want this to effect my future either. I hope to go to grad school and she made it sound like I will not be accepted into grad school because of this. She said if a school calls and asks us "will you accept her back into your school?" Then they would have to say no, which guarantees that I will not get into grad school.
In addition to this, ^ disciplinary actions usually aren't dictated or decided by one person. It is most often a committee, so it seems rather odd to me that your adviser is making it appear as if the decision lies solely in her hands. Like others have stated, your adviser seems to be quite coercive and bullying.
*She said that she spoke with the department chair and the dean and they have left the decision up to her. She acted as though she was doing me a favor by not kicking me out. She said what she writes in the disciplinary report will determine whether I get into grad school. They can not disclose my write up but they can answer questions the universities may ask. *
I'd also like to comment on something else. Loads of people on here have stated that if the offending comment is on your "personal" facebook page, then the school cannot do anything. In my experience, this is not true. Your "personal" facebook page is not untouchable nor is it "personal" in that it is visible to others. I've known people who've faced disciplinary action at uni or at their jobs as a result of things they had posted on their facebook pages. If the you make comments that involve your university/workplace/other organisation you're affiliated with, there can definitely be consequences, especially if said comments are negative, offensive, or badly reflect the organisation. Whether or not this merits expulsion and what you can do about it is another matter.
These comments were not written by me. They were written by others in a Facebook group. I deleted them and she said that is a issue because it is as if someone did somethings wrong and I helped them hide it.
Talk to your Dean, she seems to be bullying, drop a course if you can to avoid her or shift to someone else if possible.
She says that the dean has left the decision to her. I do not know whether I should just sign the report she writes or not. If I continue this further, she will try to be harsher to me.
I can not drop the course because she is the only one who teaches it. Plus, I am to graduate in 55 days, I feel like I have no options.
Student ombudsman is one other person you can go to. This person is not going to back off, so you can't be passive.
If she is wrong, then you going to the administration will sort her out, but before that make sure you have her accusations and threats in writing.
If she is right, then still getting the right people involved helps because university has an appeals process. Unless what someone did is of an extreme nature... Hacking, assault, etc it's very unlikely that they can give you two infractions for one activity and boot you.
You need to read your student handbook and university policy.
I read the student handbook and the policies. I can not find anything about the disciplinary policy anywhere. Who could I ask for it? she is giving me one infraction now but I would like to be sure that this doesn't haunt me for the rest of my life.
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Is anyone else (such as the people who actually posted the remarks) going to get infractions or just you?
And out of curiosity - why would you delete the comments on a FB page you were administering?
I would think the ONLY way you could justify deletion of the comments would be because you wanted to remove offensive posts from the board because they were contrary to school/FB policies - though this would beg the question of why you didn't remove them before and why you did so after being told not to. Though again, there is a work around for that as well - if the professor had no authority over the FB page and there is some way to retrieve the deleted posts in case of a review by the administration - try and contact FB to see if the info can be retrieved and hold onto it for audit purposes.
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I do not know whether I should find an attorney because our school policy is that until an action is made and I have gone through the process of appealing it, contacting an attorney is not appropriate. She is not threatening to expel me anymore. She will be writing me up for a major infraction. This means that there will be something on my record so faculty will be told not to write me letter of recommendation. I do not know what she will write yet and whether I should sign it or not. I want this to be over and just graduate in 55 days. But I do not want this to effect my future either. I hope to go to grad school and she made it sound like I will not be accepted into grad school because of this. She said if a school calls and asks us "will you accept her back into your school?" Then they would have to say no, which guarantees that I will not get into grad school.
These comments were not written by me. They were written by others in a Facebook group. I deleted them and she said that is a issue because it is as if someone did somethings wrong and I helped them hide it.
She says that the dean has left the decision to her. I do not know whether I should just sign the report she writes or not. If I continue this further, she will try to be harsher to me. I can not drop the course because she is the only one who teaches it. Plus, I am to graduate in 55 days, I feel like I have no options.
I read the student handbook and the policies. I can not find anything about the disciplinary policy anywhere. Who could I ask for it? she is giving me one infraction now but I would like to be sure that this doesn't haunt me for the rest of my life.
I have been in a situation similar to yours but what i did was worse and this was during high school and not university. This is my experience and its your choice to follow or not, i can't tell you anything since im not fully experienced in this. But basically if you find no written place to say what you have done was wrong or were not aware of it , its likely what you did wasn't soo bad.
If she says the dean has left it in her hands it **doesn't **mean that its true sometimes people lie or over exagerate, she might have just said you did something wrong but didn't **fully inform **the dean exactly what you did (something similar to this happened to me). So if you can maybe directly inform your dean of the situation, since from the sounds of it she is taking it way to far. I **wouldn't **recommend signing anything since thats like admitting what you did was wrong and even if it was you weren't aware that they would be expelling you so if you had been fully informed of the consequences then you wouldn't have done it.
MOST importantly if what you had done was so serious then they would have made you sign an agreement saying that you wouldn't delete any comments after the meeting etc.
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I do not know whether I should find an attorney because our school policy is that until an action is made and I have gone through the process of appealing it, contacting an attorney is not appropriate. She is not threatening to expel me anymore. She will be writing me up for a major infraction. This means that there will be something on my record so faculty will be told not to write me letter of recommendation. I do not know what she will write yet and whether I should sign it or not. I want this to be over and just graduate in 55 days. But I do not want this to effect my future either. I hope to go to grad school and she made it sound like I will not be accepted into grad school because of this. She said if a school calls and asks us "will you accept her back into your school?" Then they would have to say no, which guarantees that I will not get into grad school.
These comments were not written by me. They were written by others in a Facebook group. I deleted them and she said that is a issue because it is as if someone did somethings wrong and I helped them hide it.
She says that the dean has left the decision to her. I do not know whether I should just sign the report she writes or not. If I continue this further, she will try to be harsher to me. I can not drop the course because she is the only one who teaches it. Plus, I am to graduate in 55 days, I feel like I have no options.
I read the student handbook and the policies. I can not find anything about the disciplinary policy anywhere. Who could I ask for it? she is giving me one infraction now but I would like to be sure that this doesn't haunt me for the rest of my life.
Also can i ask do you remember what the comments you deleted were written about?
So all that you have heard is from this teacher? She wants you to sign something and admit stuff, and that she has all this power given to her.
Did you have previous run ins with this teacher? Or what you deleted or are accused of deleting of a very extreme nature? Did you usually delete posts prior to this meeting?
Why don't you go talk to the Dean yourself? Because first you have to determine that this teacher has the power that she claims she has. If editing posts was part of what you did previously then an honest mistake because you were in usual mode and deleted stuff you would done prior to the meeting is a slip up. Intentions are important, you are admitting you mistakenly deleted stuff, but can't exactly remember which ones, how many did you delete? How will the story look to an outsider? Let's say a review board?
second , for someone with a clean record for 4 years, a couple months prior to graduation some error/mistake is not going to usually be treated in such a severe manner unless of a very significant nature. Also, it should not prevent other teachers from giving you recommendations, never heard of tugs before. Can be true but it does not add up.
In parallel, if you know a few unis you want to go to for grad school, why don't you apply now? Technically this is not public info. Get the recommendations and applications in, and if you are not ready you can always defer starting term, or start and enroll, drop classes and then start.
Again, I will get her accusation and the 'offer' in writing. Worse case is that you are where you are today, graduating and with a ding on your student records that is non academic.its really not the end of the world. Best case is that you find out this is bogus and you can get rid of this entire incident.
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^ I wonder whether the recommendation letter policy is akin to some firm's employee reference checks. At our firm, "technically" we are not supposed to confirm anything except for whether the individual worked at the company and whether the firm would hire them again. In theory, this is supposed to limit liability of the firm when providing a reference.
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She's threatening you so that you'll be scared into admitting more and taking responsibility for more than you've done.
Get another school official involved. As a student, you have other people you can help you -- a student representative, a dean, a counselor, etc.
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Frankly you seem very lazy in dealing with a situation that you’re claiming can potentially ruin your future. I already wrote in the earlier post that you should walk into the registrar or the dean’s office and ask them regarding the policy IF you cannot find it on your own. Even if they don’t have it, they will tell you exactly who to go to. Yet you’d rather sit on your behind and ask people here on GS who you need to go to! 
No point in contacting an attorney at this point b/c no action has been taken. Your best option at this point is to go into the dean’s office yourself, and talk to him/her about your situation. And go back and re-read my previous comments about how you should not admit to anything and how you need to let this teacher know that you want to communicate with her regarding this matter in writing only.
On GS people can give your their opinions based on their personal knowledge…but none of us know your exact school, the personalities you’re dealing with, or the specific situation (or even your own personal record). So instead of wasting time on GS about this, go out there and start dealing with the people who can actually help you or give you solid information about where you stand…starting with the dean.
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My sister got in to trouble at uni a few years ago. She was accused of doing something she hadn't done. She went straight to her registrar and booked an appointment with a guidance counsellor . She was then set up with someone who acted like her attorney and she had to go for a review in front of a panel. It went on for a few days but she was acquitted.
I would advise you not to sign anything this teacher gives you .. You should talk to your registrar and ask them who can help you. And if I were you, I would be sure to mention that they were coersive , and you felt bullied.
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This was a private Facebook group, not public or an official school Facebook page. It was just friends but someone saw it and they reported it.
I was not told not to delete anything. She just said that she will see the posts and faculty will take action accordingly. I didn’t want anyone to get in trouble so I deleted some posts. I did not think that it would become such a big deal.
She says that we signed the syllabus, which says that we must have integrity and I showed a lack of integrity and dishonesty by deleting the posts. I did not do it to defy her or anything. I did not know that I could even get in trouble for it. I thought that I would just protect my friends.
It was about how boring some people thought a class was and this was posted during the class.
I just do not want this one mistake to effect my future.
That is exactly hat she said. She said if future schools call them, they can usually ask those two questions.
I think before signing anything, I will request that the dean mediate. If she writes anything that does not have proof, I will ask her to remove it.
Thank you! I will contact the dean via e-mail now and schedule a meeting with her.
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good luck!!
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Omg this sounds so lame. You're right to think u couldn't have gotten into trouble for this. It's a private group and she has no proof of something damaging that was said. I think this teacher is really vindictive and maybe wanted to see which students find her boring so she could hold a grudge against them and maybe skew their grades. Now she's pissed off she can't do that do she's taking it out on u. That's why she's being so specific about the info which u deleted. As in tell me who's post it was and what it said. This has drama written all over it, I think. And she's just trying to intimidate u. She has no proof of the material that was actually deleted so what r u accountable for? And yes u signed something on the syllabus for integrity, that was about not cheating and doing ur own hw etc. What does a private Facebook group (that has nothing she is directly linked to) have to do with her. For example if someone set up a page where they discuss their classes or professors, what they learnt, how they would rate the class, isn't that just their opinion and freedom of speech. So if all the students of a class say this professor speaks in a monotone and puts us to sleep, professor can get offended all they want but there's nothing wrong with it. And then u as the moderator have ur right to moderate ur page as u please? Am I missing something or did u not tell us everything. Now if someone claimed that the professor has child porn on their computer, that's a whole different ball game. I think that as long as there was nothing of the criminal nature involved ur professor can't even think of anything to say, if she's boring she's boring, she should get a life. I think she's trying to pour out her frustrations on u.
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She is pissed because students are calling her class boring ... Haha ... What a low life
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Well, this is a thread that shows the value of GS. Bravo to all the participants.
I'm curious as to how this is any different than friends discussing their professors verbally? Students discuss their classes all the time. I would think this is just an extension of that in the digital age.
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Your situation is worrying. I hope every thing works out for you. Do update.