What do you expect from a socially deprived, thirld world, debt ridden, grossly overpopulated country!
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Originally posted by sholay:
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What do you expect from a socially deprived, thirld world, debt ridden, grossly overpopulated country!**
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Socially deprived? Pakistan logs more cases of honour killings of women, and has driven out its religious minorities by the loads. Third world? What is Pakistan -- Luxembourg in South Asia? Debt-ridden? Do you know Pakistan is nearly bankrupt and surviving on IMF handouts? Do you know India's GDP per capita is now higher than Pakistan's? Over-populated? Do you know Pakistan's population growth rate is much higher than India's?
Do you care about facts, or just spewing nonsense?
Nobel
Who's comparing India to Pakistan.
Only you are!!
Insecurity knows no bounds.
The fact still remains that India is a Thirld World, poverty stricken(More than a third of the population is too poor to be able to afford an adequate diet), overpopulated(1,029,991,145 - July 2001 est), socially imbalanced country (world's largest producer of licit opium for the pharmaceutical trade, but an undetermined quantity of opium is diverted to illicit international drug markets; transit country for illicit narcotics produced in neighboring countries; illicit producer of hashish and methaqualone).
Until you become members of the G8 communities, keep begging!!
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Originally posted by sholay:
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Nobel
Who's comparing India to Pakistan.
Only you are!!
Insecurity knows no bounds.
The fact still remains that India is a Thirld World, poverty stricken(More than a third of the population is too poor to be able to afford an adequate diet), overpopulated(1,029,991,145 - July 2001 est), socially imbalanced country (world's largest producer of licit opium for the pharmaceutical trade, but an undetermined quantity of opium is diverted to illicit international drug markets; transit country for illicit narcotics produced in neighboring countries; illicit producer of hashish and methaqualone).
Until you become members of the G8 communities, keep begging!!
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That article, and the topic of this thread is a teacher in India. India is what you commented on. The rest of your drivel speaks for itself.
well good on her n big up 4 da sis 4 sayin they were kaffir!
nuffin wrong wit callin sum1 who aint a muslim a non believer
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Originally posted by secret_obsession:
**"The Bombay High Court has ordered a teacher to tender unconditional apology to her colleagues for calling them 'kafir,' and held that there was no place in a secular country for such expressions."
But in that secular country burning of Quran, destruction of Masjids and Massacre of minorities is common and acceptable.
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well said obession!
Seems like a lot of fuse about nothing. I don't think the teacher should have been fired for calling someone a kafir.
Considering what the word means, it would not bother me in the least for someone to call me that. I have certainly been called worse.
In all reality I don't think I would go running to the office, if I were a teacher, and another teacher called me any name. Seems a little childish.
I not saying that name calling is the proper way to behave, but at the same time, people need to develop a little thicker skin. The way I see it, just because someone calls me a certain name, doesn't make it true. It is just how that person sees it, not fact.
Brenda
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!
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Originally posted by bcsm57:
**Seems like a lot of fuse about nothing. I don't think the teacher should have been fired for calling someone a kafir.
Considering what the word means, it would not bother me in the least for someone to call me that. I have certainly been called worse.
In all reality I don't think I would go running to the office, if I were a teacher, and another teacher called me any name. Seems a little childish.
I not saying that name calling is the proper way to behave, but at the same time, people need to develop a little thicker skin. The way I see it, just because someone calls me a certain name, doesn't make it true. It is just how that person sees it, not fact.
Brenda
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Go to Muslim country and call them non-believers. If you return alive you can preach to others about thick skin.
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Originally posted by Nobel:
** Go to Muslim country and call them non-believers. If you return alive you can preach to others about thick skin.**
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I am sure that you are correct, but I was just stating how I personaly feel about someone calling me a name, not preaching. I know who I am, what I believe in, and am very secure in that, so name calling is hardly going to get me too excited.
Brenda
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!
so name calling is hardly going to get me too excited.<<
Maybe as a Caucasian you are not a target group Brenda, so you don't know how it feels probably.
"Is "kafir" a derogatory term (like the "n" word in referring to african-americans), or is it just used to describe someone who is not a muslim?"
As mentioned already, the word "kafir" simply means non-believer. BUT the
problem is that these days, when most(NOT ALL) people use this word, they
imply/put it in a derogatory(spelling?) manner. It's not the meaning of the
word that's the problem...it's the way people say it(for example the tone of
the voice, facial expression etc.) that's offensive. Just like with the word
Nigga...a lot of blacks use it in a "friendly" way to refer to each
other(these days so do some desis). But even a black person can use it in a
very rude/offensive way. It all depends on the way you say it.
"It all happened when her colleagues wished her 'Happy Diwali' and she retorted, saying she was not a 'kafir' thereby hurting the sentiments of others."
I guess just smiling at them or saying "thank you" or just saying "happy diwali" was too much for her. I seriously don't understand why on earth she reacted the way she did. This is partly why there is so much tension b/c religions. I don't know about those of you who live in the US/UK etc. and how you guys deal in these situations but during Christmas, Thanksgiving etc., I'm constantly told by classmates, teachers, even strangers at the mall "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Thanksgiving" etc. I usually just smile at them and/or wish them the same. It doesn't mean that I celebrate it or I believe in any of it. I don't react to it by saying how I'm not a kafir like them and don't celebrate it etc.
Does Islam forbid us to be nice to non-Muslims? Doesn't Islam tell us to cooperate with non-Muslims as long as doing so doesn't violate anything in Islam? If someone is telling me "Happy Diwali", or "Merry Christmas" etc., and let's say I smile at them and say "thank you" WITHOUT saying it back to them, where in Islam is this prohibited?
I'm not going to make any comments about India vs. Pakistan or about the many injustices that Hindus do to Muslims. I'm writing SPECIFICALLY about this particular situation.
As a teacher(no matter what religion you are), part of this woman's job is to teach children how to be tolerant of other people's beliefs. And by responding the way she did with something this simple, what kind of message did she send to the kids about respecting and tolerating others beliefs? The non-Muslims in this case were being friendly with her and did not have any bad intentions yet she threw it in their face. When people say that Islam is not tolerant of other religions and similar FALSE comments/beliefs, behaviors like this is why they do it. What type of image of Islam to non-Muslims get when they receive this type of response from us? The people in the school who she said those things to, what kind of opinion do they have about Islam, and it's teachings now?
BTW, I know that many of you probably disagree with me and that's fine. This is just my personal opinion and I don't expect anyone else to agree with me.
As a teacher(no matter what religion you are), part of this woman’s job is to teach children how to be tolerant of other people’s beliefs. And by responding the way she did with something this simple, what kind of message did she send to the kids about respecting and tolerating others beliefs? The non-Muslims in this case were being friendly with her and did not have any bad intentions yet she threw it in their face. When people say that Islam is not tolerant of other religions and similar FALSE comments/beliefs, behaviors like this is why they do it. What type of image of Islam to non-Muslims get when they receive this type of response from us? The people in the school who she said those things to, what kind of opinion do they have about Islam, and it’s teachings now?
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I think you are right. Infact if thislady has such objection to ‘Kaffirs’ why did she bother to live among them?
I would give her the Israeli treatment.
Give one-week’s rations and a white flag and send her to the border!!
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NO doubt she will find Saudi Arabia suitable.
No ‘Kaffir’ festivals there.
I have to say this kind of behaviour is relatively rare.
Like Muslims send gifts over at Ramadan time and HIndus share many festivals, especially ‘Diwali’ for Muslim Kids.
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Originally posted by bcsm57:
** I am sure that you are correct, but I was just stating how I personaly feel about someone calling me a name, not preaching. I know who I am, what I believe in, and am very secure in that, so name calling is hardly going to get me too excited.
Brenda
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The subject of the debate here are that teacher and the people she offended. Not you. It's wonderful that you won't be offended if I called you a nob-believer on her way to hell, but if someone else is offended, why say it?
HEY WHAT ABOUT WHEN SUNNIS ARE CALLING SHIA'S KAFIR.
KHOON IS AN EXPERT ON THAT I WONDER WHO MADE HIM AN AUTHORITY ON ISLAM.
Glad that you brought in “shia kafir, sunni kafir” debate here
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all thumbs up… you rock!
May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
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Originally posted by Andhra:
**>>so name calling is hardly going to get me too excited.<<
Maybe as a Caucasian you are not a target group Brenda, so you don't know how it feels probably.**
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I relize you don't know me or anything about my background, but yes I know what it feels like. The year I was in the 9th grade, I went to a school with about 2000 students. There were only about 50 white kids in the school, and the rest were black. When I was that age, I was a very quite student, and they picked on me without mercy the entire school year, because of my race. Instead of letting it bother me, I made a big joke of it, and just laughed it off. So please don't assume anything about anyone that you really don't know.
Brenda
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!
I am not talking about the scenario you painted.
That you have to admit is relatively rare.
Whites are majority and Non-Whites minority
in general.
Anyway even in that school once you step out, you are a majority right?
You don't seem to get my point.
Such words as 'Kaafir' and your N-Word are coined to insult. THey are loaded words.
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Originally posted by Andhra:
**I am not talking about the scenario you painted.
That you have to admit is relatively rare.
Whites are majority and Non-Whites minority
in general.
Anyway even in that school once you step out, you are a majority right?
You don't seem to get my point.
Such words as 'Kaafir' and your N-Word are coined to insult. THey are loaded words.**
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Yes what you are saying is true. I understand the words are meant to insult, but why let it bother you? They are just words. I am sorry but I would not get that upset regardless of what someone called me. The bottom line is just because someone calls you something, it does not make you that thing. It is just the speakers thoughts, not reality.
Brenda
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!
Maybe it's just be but I always thought that there is a big difference between getting picked on/insulted because of your skin color versus getting insulted because of your religion/beliefs.