Re: Taliban cut off heads of 17 people for having music at party 
Peace Ghost14
I gather you are a very intelligent person so it would be refreshing for us if you would think before you refute or respond. Many of your posts are good examples of sophistical reasoning, that we can conclude to be fallacious.
Your very first statement: “So basically, we should kill people so that they don’t openly admit to adultery.” this means … Killing all people is necessary until the remaining people stop admitting to adultery when asked if they had committed adultery. This is absurd.
So just imagine lots of people are minding their own business but they are openly parading around saying “we are adulterers”, then let’s say the government officials starts shooting them, some of them die and the rest become silent. When that happens the officials stop shooting.
that is not what is being said here. You may care to rephrase what you meant.
Your next question … “you don’t think adultery occurs in the Muslim world?” again this is a loaded question with irregularity to the argument at hand. We know adultery happens everywhere, we would be naive to think in this modern area of commercialised sex that such things do not happen. Heck, there is a Saudi porn site that the Tunisian websites were being diverted to. We know this happens, but how can this be a rational thing to ask based on the previous statement you made?
I think you might have a problem with the idea that punishment for adultery is no effective cure or preventative for adultery. In the case of the modern era I am inclined to agree with you, if that is you are arguing this point. Adultery is a moral crime and harms society, so if you try to understand that according to Islamic law, adultery must be witnessed by 4 witnesses to then take have enough to charge the adulterers. It is not about openly admitting to adultery, but openly doing the act … It will create an audience … And if allowed to happen it will ruin society. Every modern society I think, at least prevents such things legally from happening, and they will physically remove sex exhibitors.
Adultery is worse than mere fornication … Fornication between unmarried people does not result in the maximum penalty of death. Now let’s speak about the penalty … Fornication on the whole can go undetected and hence unpunished in this world. However, if adultery is found out, by a spouse either woman or man then their right as the spouse is affected. One witness will still not be enough to give maximum punishment … Unless and until the accused ‘wants’ to be purged of his/her moral crime. Favouring the punishment of this world over the punishment in the Hereafter is a sign of great conviction in the ghaib and a further sign of true repentance. If such an individual insists on being purified of their sin, then and only then can full penalty be given in cases of adultery that did not occur in public.
Otherwise I guess the only cases of full punishment would be for a married person to become a porn star … But then in a society that does not effectively cater for pornography how can the people be held fully responsible?
You next mention a point regarding gay Muslims, look if they are gay, but know themselves to be weak such that they give in to a offence, hide when doing the act, just as in the case of adultery then how can the state do anything about it? But if they insist they can be Muslim and free of conscience in their gayness then they have removed themselves from Islam as would be the person who feels it is their right to be an adulterer. The argument is shoddy … We don’t claim that the people do not exist when the laws are in place, we do however, claim that the laws subdue such people protecting society moreso from the ready uptake of these behaviours.
You next say a similar thing, that it causes such moral criminals to remain silent in their acts out of fear. Well yes … Society is protected from them then … however, it may help them also to feel obliged to control their urges recognising the acts to be morally wrong. That is of course if government has being catering for other aspects in society to assist that process of self-healing the mental inclinations towards such acts. Unfortunately much of the modern Muslim world governments do not help their societies move towards goodness in the soft methods, by media persuasion, but try to use hard methods to enforce it … Fear.
Next you say “you are not God” no … No one is saying they are God … But God has given us a penal system to implement. The same argument can go for a thief, do not arrest him … You are not God … Do you see the problem in that line of argumentation?
Lastly, you talk about living in a location other than in a Muslim land … I understand that it was sarcasm … But most Muslims who live in the West live and dwell among other Muslims …it is possible and in my understanding preferable to be living in this society because there are other good things happening here that are not available in the Muslim lands … Those good things do not include the porn industry for example nor to they include gambling, nor sex trade … But these examples are present even in those Muslim countries … So what would a person be running away to?