Swiss court indicts Benazir, Zardari

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te military people from corruption? or doe sproving that there is corruption in the military somehow cancel out BB's looting?
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It doesnt.. if BB is found corrupt she should be punished but matters are in hands of court.. I am saying our judicial system is captive to our army elites.. all should be tried at same level.. its sad the govt in power can malign anybody and let go others... if the report says army is more corrupt why they are being let loose.. as long as those enjoy freedom from any judicial system how can others be tries for same offence?

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Swiss govr only acts when some govt requests ..
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Nope wrong again. Read the orignal news article again - the Swiss courts decided...

In its judgment the court observed that Pakistan was, therefore, the victim of passive corruption or mismanagement of its public interest. Consequently Pakistan was also victim of money-laundering committed in Switzerland. The investigations evidenced that the SGS and Cotecna paid $13,535,437 to various companies and beneficiaries including Benazir, Asif Zardari, Nasir Hussain, ex-brother-in-law of Benazir.

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I am saying our judicial system is captive to our army elites..
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Is that the case with the Swiss courts as well? :)

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Is that the case with the Swiss courts as well? :)
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Answer the question please :)

More for Degas to digest while he thinks up for a reply…

http://www.dawn.com/2003/02/27/top4.htm

Pakistan declared ‘damage party’ : SGS, Cotecna cases

The Swiss government has declared Pakistan a ‘damage party’ in the cases of SGS and Cotecna, two Swiss companies, and charged former premier Benazir Bhutto , her husband Asif Ali Zardari and their lawyer Jens Schlegelmilch with receiving commission amounting to US $13.53 million from both companies for awarding pre-shipment inspection (PSI) contracts. The Swiss government had also frozen the accounts of Ms Bhutto, Mr Zardari and their associates amounting to $60 million, said a document provided to reporters by National Accountability Bureau (NAB) chairman Lt-Gen Munir Hafiez at a press briefing on Wednesday. The official said that the accused used off-shore companies to receive commissions and kickbacks from the two Swiss companies. “After being declared a ‘damage party’ by the Swiss government, the government of Pakistan has been allowed to plead its case as a party in the Swiss court,” the official added. Under Swiss law, after being accepted as a ‘damage party’, the state has the right to access the file of the judgment and to obtain a copy of it, to be present at the hearings of indicated persons or witnesses, cross-examine, and to request that specific investigation be carried out.

The NAB official quoted the translation of the Swiss court judgment as saying: “In fact had Benazir Bhutto acted loyally, she or her relatives would not have benefited from said amount but Pakistan. As the mismanagement of public interest is a crime and as it is not relevant whether that crime was committed abroad, Ms Bhutto, Mr Zardari, and Mr Schlegelmilch can be reproached to have laundered the money of that crime proceeds in Switzerland. Pakistan was therefore the victim of passive corruption or mismanagement of its public interest. Consequently, Pakistan was also a victim of money laundering committed in Switzerland and was consequently directly damaged by the tort committed by the three.” The order of the judge was conveyed to Ms Bhutto, Mr Zardari, and Mr Schlegelmilch through their attorneys. Ms Bhutto and Mr Zardari have not challenged the decision. However, Mr Schlegelmilch had filed an appeal before the Swiss Supreme Court on Feb 18, 2003, the NAB chief said. He said that the bureau would retry the case against Ms He termed the decision of the Swiss court a landmark in NAB’s endeavours to repatriate the assets collected by disloyal public officials and concealed in Swiss bank accounts. Replying to a question, the NAB chairman said that efforts were being made for the extradition of Ms Bhutto so that she could be presented before a court of law in Pakistan. The official said that the investigation evidenced that both Swiss firms - SGS and Cotecna - paid $13.535 million as commission to the two.

The break-up of amount was stated to be $8.19 million given to a firm Bomer Finance (an off-shore company owned by Mr Zardari) of which beneficiary owners were Ms Bhutto and Mr Zardari; $3.80 million deposited in Nassam Overseas of which the beneficiary owner was Nasir Hussain (ex-brother in law of Ms Bhutto); and $1.53 million given to Mr Schlegelmilch. The NAB chief said that a minimum of 61 bank accounts of Ms Bhutto and Mr Zardari and their close associates had been detected. The Swiss judge had seized a jewellery set, worth $192,200, allegedly purchased by Ms Bhutto. She herself paid down payment of $41,000 and the remaining payment was made from the bank account of Bomer Finance. The official said that Mrs Nusrat Bhutto was declared a beneficial owner of the off-shore company Mariston Securities. “The company’s account has been credited with commission paid by Cotecna on the basis of the 1990 pre-shipment inspection (PSI) contract,” he said. Mr Zardari, he said, had acquired and used Bomer Finance with UBS, to collect commission paid by the SGS and the Cotecna, pursuant to the 1994 PSI contracts.

The NAB chairman said that Amer Lodhi was the apparent beneficial owner of another off-shore company named Dargal, which was used for collecting and distributing kickbacks paid pursuant to the URSUS tractors import scheme. When heard by the Swiss judge, Mr Lodhi denied having any personal interest in the company or in its assets. The NAB chief said that Ms Bhutto had received in excess of $500,000, originating from kickbacks, through the accounts of Bomer Finance and of another off-shore company named Nassam Overseas. He said that Mr Zardari was declared beneficial owner of most of the off-shore companies, which were used for collecting kickbacks paid in connection with government contracts awarded while Ms Bhutto was in power. Lt-Gen Munir Hafiez said that one Jehangir Ebadi, brother-in-law of Jens Schlegelmilch, was an apparent beneficial owner of Hospitals of the Middle East, an off-shore company to which substantial kickbacks originating from the 1994 PSI contracts awarded to the Cotecna and the SGS were transferred through Bomer Finance’s account. “By virtue of the Swiss court’s decision, the state of Pakistan has been handed over on Feb 17, 2003, case files containing over 3,000 documents. These files are being scrutinized so as to decide whether the latest evidence so received needs to be made part of the existing/on-going cases of corruption or to form a basis of yet more charges of corruption against Ms Bhutto and her husband,” the NAB chief said.

The government of Pakistan may have been declared 'damaged party' by the Swiss government in the SGS case as is claimed by the NAB Chairman but this does not prove that BB is involved in corruption in the SGS-Cotecna or in any other case. Until courts issues such a scenerio its just NAB maligning.. we all know all the corrupt were shielded by NAB when they helped govt.. but one thing is crystal clear our system of justice is bling to bigger corrupts and most of them are from army..

Ok we make it simple for you.

  1. Is the swiss justice system wrong in this case?

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The government of Pakistan may have been declared 'damaged party' by the Swiss government in the SGS case as is claimed by the NAB Chairman but this does not prove that BB is involved in corruption in the SGS-Cotecna or in any other case.
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I don't think you are reading that well. What do you think the following means:-

In its judgment the court observed that Pakistan was, therefore, the victim of passive corruption or mismanagement of its public interest.

Also you have failed to answer the question about the Swiss courts. Are they also corrupt and dominated by the military?

hain kia qawali ho rahi he..ye humnawa ki kia zaroorat he :smiley:

another news some time back how our judiciary works..

Abay Kaka, swiss courts kay baray mein bat ho ra hi hai. Answer our question please.

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Also you have failed to answer the question about the Swiss courts. Are they also corrupt and dominated by the military?
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Swiss courts will be reciving 3000 pages from NAB :D and they are impartial :D why the same NAB dont produce a single page against the most looters .. army sacrad-cows? I trust swiss courts but not NAB giving them evidence! since NAB recently let go so many corrupts along with doing nothing against army corrupts..

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Swiss courts will be reciving 3000 pages from NAB :D and they are impartial...
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Wrong again. Swiss courts will giving Pakistan 3000 pages not receiving them. I told you to read the articles before posting, but you did not follow that advice and are now making such unbelievable blunders.

By virtue of court's decision, the state of Pakistan has been handed over on Feb 17, 2003, in the first phase, case files containing over 3,000 documents.

Yet again he didnt answer the question. :( I have a feeling he doesnt really like me :(

Ohhh...goodie Malik. You got him good. Just like that Twain woman :D

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By virtue of court's decision, the state of Pakistan has been handed over on Feb 17, 2003, in the first phase, case files containing over 3,000 documents.
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I may have read wrong but how will NAB reply impartially to those documents looking at its record of letting go so many corrupts and not looking at many army ones! its main role is just maligning opposition members and trying to get Govt votes in horse trading in making of last Govt!!

CM the reason is .. u always say reply answer "we".. check ur previous replys... so I reply both of u at same time.. I know ur a great team together!

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I may have read wrong but how will NAB reply impartially to those documents...
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You have read wrong on quite a few occasions throughout this thread, but it is good that you are now admitting your mistakes.

Now the 3000 documents - it is on the basis of these documents that the Swiss courts have inicted BB and Zardari and stated that they were responsible for passive corruption or mismanagement of its public interest. So if the Swiss courts have done this on the basis of the 3000 documents in the first place how can NAB then not come to the same conclusion with the same documents?

malik and CM, the point that you are missing is that who knows how indpendent these swiss courts are, maybe they are run by Pakistan Military too and are after BB just because they dont like that angelic, honest, dedicated and patriotic Lady ;P

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malik and CM, the point that you are missing is that who knows how indpendent these swiss courts are, maybe they are run by Pakistan Military too and are after BB just because they dont like that angelic, honest, dedicated and patriotic Lady ;P
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u may be right.. military is god here.. we should make statues of generals..they can kill , rape, and torture the very population they are sworn in to defend! and when they accused of the highest corruption there are some pujaris who bow in front of them! They can even get away after showering missilies at their own cities indulge in drug mafia and arms smuggling.. how long we can be mesmerised by these sacrad cows who divert our attention by sometimes religious showism and sometimes by maligning politicians!

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sometimes by maligning politicians!
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are the charges against benazir just maligning her? is it not possible that all these power brokers are corrupt, or are you always lookint ath eworld in terms of dc comincs black and white good vs evil deal? that if someothing is bad, is opposition must be good :)

Whatever, the Swiss should also add some other people in the list, some who are in the present govt...

You know you’re right. Whenever I am in Switzerland I notice there a lot of soldiers everywhere, and I thought that was down to them having conscription. But it seems these are only Pakistani soldiers in disguise. Darn! :hehe: :smiley: