How can needs be false? Is the need for air, food, water, good health, false? What about the need for education and enlightenment? What about the need for the families of the missing Malaysian flight to know about their loved ones? All false?
Look at the industries like, textile, cosmetics, medics aesthetics, interior etc...
And almost every business is topped with strategy for trapping customers into buy their products disregarding whether their customers need it or not.
Now come to the original point that 'survival of the fittest' approach being followed in modern systems.
When employees fight each other to get a better raise, and become dearer in the eyes of boss?
after that when employees are fired?
And then, when new employees are hired?
don’t forget to answer 'survival of the fittest' approach being followed or not'?
Then we will talk on morality.
no one is forcing anyone to buy anything. we are all enslaved to fullfilling our own desires. you cannot blame industries for making things.
was it immoral for Mark Zuckerberg to make "Facebook". ofcourse we dont exactly "need" it, but did he force you to make your account?
whats immoral about something thats being produced which you have a choice to buy or not to buy?
It is immoral on behalf of perpetuator of the campaign that traps peoples into buying a product that they don’t need actually nor they are intended to buy that product. Because, it takes people's hard earned money, it’s simple.
When they sell financial product for example, they may not lie but they do know what customer needs to know about the implication of buying that product. Most of the packages are designed to deceive customers.
it’s funny that its still a moral thing.
It is immoral on behalf of perpetuator of the campaign that traps peoples into buying a product that they don’t need actually nor they are intended to buy that product. Because, it takes people's hard earned money, it’s simple.
When they sell financial product for example, they may not lie but they do know what customer needs to know about the implication of buying that product. Most of the packages are designed to deceive customers.
it’s funny that its still a moral thing.
who decided that it's immoral for someone to come up with a product which someone may or may not need? its upto you to decide what you need and what you dont, everyone is responsible for how they want to spend their own hard earned money. When I go to the store, there is thousands of items, am i going to try to buy each of them? I need to decide for myself what i need vs what I want. thats common sense , not morality. we cannot blame others for our own inability to suppress our desire.
And also, who decides which products and services are needed and whats not needed?
Look at the industries like, textile, cosmetics, medics aesthetics, interior etc...
And almost every business is topped with strategy for trapping customers into buy their products disregarding whether their customers need it or not.
Now come to the original point that 'survival of the fittest' approach being followed in modern systems.
When employees fight each other to get a better raise, and become dearer in the eyes of boss?
after that when employees are fired?
And then, when new employees are hired?
don’t forget to answer 'survival of the fittest' approach being followed or not'?
Then we will talk on morality.
How is it trapping? Industries employ people. This allows them, the employees, to buy food, clothing, medicines, etc., etc.. I suspect you work as well. Do you feel your bosses are trapping you?
Employees try to perform for compensation. They aren't gladiators. The employer has a finite resource, money. Employers want to reward people that do well. That's called competition. Why should an employer employ someone that isn't performing? Employers that continue to do that risk losing their business, thereby affecting the livelihood of every employee, not to mention their investors. Is that moral?
who decided that it is immoral to make products that one may or may not need? looks like you have decided this.
I second bella88 here! Who decides what's moral? It's very subjective.
That is the problem. Modern systems do not distinguesh between moral and immoral.
looks like you cant differentiate between a moron and immoral. a person going broke because he's getting 'sucked' in by the consumer media is a moron. nothing to do with morality.
How is it trapping? Industries employ people. This allows them, the employees, to buy food, clothing, medicines, etc., etc.. I suspect you work as well. Do you feel your bosses are trapping you?
Employees try to perform for compensation. They aren't gladiators. The employer has a finite resource, money. Employers want to reward people that do well. That's called competition. Why should an employer employ someone that isn't performing? Employers that continue to do that risk losing their business, thereby affecting the livelihood of every employee, not to mention their investors. Is that moral?
I second bella88 here! Who decides what's moral? It's very subjective.
You didnt answer my question whether the 'survival of the fittest' approach is being followed or not?
looks like you cant differentiate between a moron and immoral. *a person going broke because he's getting 'sucked' in by the consumer media is a moron. *
what would you call those are causing it, moral or immoral?
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it has to do with immorality instead, on perpetrator's part.
who decided that it is immoral to make products that one may or may not need? looks like you have decided this.
my discussion was started with you when you used moral argument in post below,
is it moral to be lazy and expect hard working people to take care of those who choose not to work as hard? i dont get the point here.
now, I am asuming you understand what you say and you know deep logical reasoning, ok?
tell my how can you even use words moral and immoral in your questions when you believe that it cant be decided what is moral and what is immoral?
i replied to this post with a separate comment and want a clear answer.
my discussion was started with you when you used moral argument in post below,
now, I am asuming you understand what you say and you know deep logical reasoning, ok?
tell my how can you even use words moral and immoral in your questions when you believe that it cant be decided what is moral and what is immoral?
I questioned your question because it was very unclear what you meant or where you were headed with your initial post. later on you made it seem like its consumer medias fault for people spending too much money.
come to the point, be specific in what you want to argue about.
would love to argue capitalism, consumerism, survival of the fittest, just be specific. don't throw in random vague ideas and expect others to know what you are referring to.
I questioned your question because it was very unclear what you meant or where you were headed with your initial post. later on you made it seem like its consumer medias fault for people spending too much money.
come to the point, be specific in what you want to argue about.
would love to argue capitalism, consumerism, survival of the fittest, just be specific. don't throw in random vague ideas and expect others to know what you are referring to.
even then how can you question my question using a moral argument? Asking a question with moral argument means you was expecting another moral argument from me while you dont believe morality can be decided.
I am talking about moral argument you used, while you believe that it cant be decided what is moral and what is immoral?
well, maybe you couldnt understand it...
why is it immoral to sell a product ? since you're calling it immoral, i am sure you have a good explanation
I am talking about trapping people into buy unnecessary stuff, and you are talking about innocent behavior like selling a product.
are you trying to duck the point?
I am talking about trapping people into buy unnecessary stuff, and you are talking about innocent behavior like selling a product.
are you trying to duck the point?
so please explain how someone is trapped into buying an unnecessary thing? be specific.
even then how can you question my question using a moral argument? Asking a question with moral argument means you was expecting another moral argument from me while you dont believe morality can be decided.
I am talking about moral argument you used, while you believe that it cant be decided what is moral and what is immoral?
well, maybe you couldnt understand it...
I cannot understand vague messages that can have several different interpretations. your first few posts were very unspecific, almost as if you expect people to guess what was on your mind.
I did not say morality cannot be decided, *but due to the lack of information you provided, morality could not be decided. *
*I cannot understand vague messages that can have several different interpretations. your first few posts were very unspecific, almost as if you expect people to guess what was on your mind. *
lolz, you come up with these words when you find it hard to answer my questions :)
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I did not say morality cannot be decided, but due to the lack of information you provided, morality could not be decided.
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In earlier posts, you were agreed that its customer's fault because he's getting "sucked" by consumerism. maybe you dont remember that or dont understand the simplest thing who is causing the 'customer getting 'sucked'.