Superiority of white over brown, yellow, black?

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Lussi, so brain size does not run in the genes? What about skin color? Hair density? How do you know? And no one has says blacks have no brains, so stop oversimplifying.

I'm not advocating a position, I'm throwing it around for discussion. So please spare me the racist allegations. But if you had read the preceding posts you would discover where I said even if brain sizes do differ between the races (and you can google it to find the studies that prove it one way or the other), there is no way to indicate that a larger brain means more intelligence. Also, if you would read more carefully you will see that this theory is based on over 100,000 of human evolution, not 20 minute in a tanning bed.

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The size of any human body organ determines it strength eg if you have more muscle mass in your arms you can lift more. So when you say a race has less of a brain and with brain being like any other organ in the body, it automatically implies rightly or wrongly so that you're demeaning a particular race's intellect.

You did not get the sarcasm of the tanning remark. Continuing in that spirit, what about kids born from an inter-racial couple? Would their brains be somwhere in the middle then?

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So if your bladder is twice as big as mine does that mean you win the pissing contest? Size and power are not necessarily dependent on the other. IF brain sizes are statistically different, are we not allowed to say so because it is politically incorrect? What about when people say white men can't jump? Does that not demean a race's physical abilities? The offspring of a mixed child would have some of both the parent's genes, just like skin pigment.

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^ Seminole, if your bladder is twice as big as mine it probably means you dont have to go to the washroom as often as I do. :)

No one is stopping you from saying the varying sizes of the human brain but the crux of the issue is that what are you trying to imply here? Are you just issuing benign statements claiming a larger brain with no signifance or consequences?

As far as the 'white men cant jump' is concerned, it is just an absurd and ridiculous statement. But there is no scientific racism involved behind it because as far as I know there hasnt been any research on if white men can jump or not.

So then that child would have a brain size somewhere in the middle? How many generations of his would have to marry the "right" race to get the optimum brain size? I guess this sounds more like a math question, well I wasn't good in math anyway :)

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Yeah someone ought to have told those South Koreans that they weren’t meant to be physically capable of competing in the footy World Cup. Knocking the Italians out totally lowered the value of the remainder of the tournament :nook:

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Re: Superiority of white over brown, yellow, black?

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*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *
Why is it that nations with predominantly white population have a better standard of life? We don't hear of influx of immigrants into the black, brown and yellow nations. Most Nobel prizes seem to go to white dominated nations. It's always the white dominated nations that go to four corners of the world with humanitarian aid - medicines, food; and military aid - peacekeepers, liberators, nation-builders.

We all talk about our great pasts, our great potential in future...what are we doing wrong in the present?

Or are the current stock of white really in some way superior to us all?
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amozing it hou u can speaka angrezi well oll of a soden.

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^Sheer accident. Just mere accident. So why do you think the white masters keep clobbering us in all departments?

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I think it's a seasonal thing...One day you have the Arabs leading the wolrd in science, next you have the whites leading the world in technology, then you have the chinkos leading the world in innovations, pretty soon it will be blacks...I think it's seasonal...

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The book “Guns, Steel, and Germs” addresses the similar subject matter. It won a Pultzer prize.

“It argues that geographical and environmental factors shaped the modern world. Societies that had a head start in food production advanced beyond the hunter-gatherer stage, and then developed writing, technology, government, and organized religion—as well as nasty germs and potent weapons of war—and adventured on sea and land to conquer and decimate preliterate cultures.”

I believe that book also claims that White race is superior in terms of withstanding weather and environmental hardships and due to such endurance the settlers of white race could travel to farther rich lands and be able to utilize the resources to their advantage.

More later.

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So if your bladder is twice as big as mine does that mean you win the pissing contest?

Hahahah! That's quote of the thread.

I think Seminole raised some interesting points, and as is the case with usual intelligence level to comprehend the content and context on gupshup, most of the people did fail to see what he was talking about. I've yet to see someone take a shot at his "Why black people lagged" question instead of picking out words at their face value to prove "my bladder is bigger than yours". ch*****y.

There is great division among theorists even in the field of scientific discovery to come to any solid conclusion regarding racial difference attributed towards advancement of a certain race. It comes down to subjective opinion in the end.

It's regression of things. Not one single factor is more predominantly deterministic than the other. There are physical factors as well as intangible ones. For example, in the case of "whites" in the west, few turns in the modern history along with opportunities present in the physical environment (geography, resourceful land, weather etc) contributed more to their advancement than the sheer skin color or height or musclular capabilities (We pick apples from the tree no more -- we can well capably stare at the apple now and have it fall on the earth as did Newton once). Industrial revolution, Renaissance, colonialism etc are some of the major forces behind such advancements.

Now point to note: The fact that white race somewhere else than the west also advanced does not blankly put racial advantages up on the conclusive measure (The question posed by TomSawyer itself is sort of falls into that category). The causes behind on geographical racial advancement in one case may be different than the other. There is a certain seperation of cause and effect here.

The other physicality to consider as a predominant factor is the time and space dimension strictly in terms of scientific discoveries to bolster the phenomenon like Renaissance. As it goes, certain scientific discoveries or inventions turn out to be the bolstering force to speed up more advanced achievments than the others. For example, discovery to produce electricity made so many other things possible at a greater speed than the invention of, say, wheel which didn't propagate much else in terms transportation. If electricity or steam engine wasn't there, wheel would still be, well, wheel. So, to put it very simply and oversimply, steam engine was a great force behind industrial revolution, which was a great force behind colonialism, which was a great force behind African people not being able to catch up quickly (whatcha gonna do when they come for you!). Africans may have or may have not advanced on their own if left alone but we'd never know that, or would we.

Colonialism in fact was a pretty big factor in intefering with advancement of other societies (read races), who, if given a chance (time and space factor again) may have succeeded to adopted pragmatic thought propagated by Renaissance. Just because Colonialism did introduce technologies to its colonies does not mean it makes up for the supperession it pulled off at the subservient population.

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^^

Exactly mirrored my thoughts (and very eloquently too). The main reason for the advancement of the white nations is the pragmatic thought process that was propagated by the renaissance and has after 400 years or so filtered it's way through to the majority of the western population. The Japanese have bridged that gap very quickly (150 years) after the Meiji reforms so there is hope for all of us!!

As far as the rest of the world goes, our development was halted by the colonial rule. We haven't even got to the stage of initiating pragmatic thought as a nation although there are a number of educated individuals around limited to the larger cities and emigrated to the west!! The rest of our workforce lives in cloud cuckoo land and there is no attempt by anyone to get them out of their mental state.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *
^Sheer accident. Just mere accident. So why do you think the white masters keep clobbering us in all departments?
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what i don't understand is why hindians have to pull these shenanigan (spelling) when they join pakistani forum. pretending to not speak english, posting as a muslim while in reality they are hindu, posting as a pakistani while they are hindian, posting as a pakistani who bad mouths pakistan all days and pretending like he is just a "concerned citizen", and countless other ways. are you guys really that ashamed of your identity.

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Fact is that every society has a majority of go alongs and do nothings who benefit from the creativity and ingenuity of the few who bring radical change to society. in this modern age with it's political machinations and the resulting brain drains, it's not that Africa/South Asia/etc are not innately unable to join the modern age and become "advanced", it's that those people who could make these regions do so, are either siphoned off by 'the west", shunned by the political and social elites in their respective homelands or killed.

Those who have a broad view of history know that Africans, Asians, South Americans are no less capable of "advancement" then their European counterparts, who in large part "advanced" due to their contact with others.

If the problem with Africa for instance, are largely genetic how does explain some of the ancient kingdoms of Africa that were stable, according to arab and greek historians wealthy, and lasted for hundreds of years, and in the case of ancient Ghana almost a thousand years. If their problems were simply "largely genetic" wouldn't that be the case for many thousands of years? Instead of just being "wartorn for decades"?

I mean if we are to judge Pakistan by its current situation, are we to believe we are a nation low-IQ drooling idiots?

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Seasonal :smiley:

Seriously though, I don’t think white/black (seperiority/inferiority) is the issue here because throughout history, many great world civilizations have risen and fallen regardless of ethnicity or race. It just so happens that we are living in an age where we see mostly “white” domination and superiority in terms of technology and innovation. There was once a time when the great Persian, Greek, Egyptian, and Chinese civilizations thrived in addition to great empires such as the the Ottoman, British, Dutch, and Spanish empires, etc.

On a side note, I wish I could time travel through all these wonderful historical eras. Islamic Sicily and Spain in the 700s AD would be awesome to see.

:flower1:

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *
So why do you think the white masters keep clobbering us in all departments?
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first of all, i dont know if some1 b4 me has said this or not, cuz i didnt read every1's replies, but just wanna give u my opinion.
i dont think the "white masters" are clobbering us. if you look at any major department (medicine, law, technology)---majority of the head hanchos are not the white ppl. its desis or chinese or japanese ppl. we all come here from different countries for education, and once we have achieved that, we dont go back to our respective countries to make our own homeland better, we stay here bcuz life is simpler and easier here.
(i'm not blaming any1, i'm also in this category currently).
but i think if we all got our education and went back to our respective homelands and applied our education there, then these countries would also advance and become better places to live.

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You have a good point there. The spaniards and the english seemed to have always taken the loot back home. Now the browns, blacks and yellows probably wire gas money home.

With all yellow, black and brown heads of departments, it is still a white dominated country and economy - whether it be the US, UK, Germany or France...

For a long time I conveniently assigned all that to impact of colonialism - it's only been 50 years of freedom etc. But what is the rate of nobels in the most recent two 5 years periods as opposed to the 1940's and 50's.

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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
What the hell are you all talking about. Indian and Pakistanis are caucasians. Jews are not white, they are like arabs, semitic. Eastern russians are a lot like Native americans. So all this crap is just that crap....

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He is talking about the color of skin and not races as defined by the anthropologists.

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Re: Superiority of white over brown, yellow, black?

Really!

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Re: Superiority of white over brown, yellow, black?

Europeans (whites) have developed a lot in the last 400/500 years, but this development has neither anything to do with their race/skin color nor with their mental capacity, or anything other which is making you feel somewhat inferior.
No. This development has to do with ‘setting your priorities right’.

Europeans convinced themselves that a person is successful only if he has more material wealth. Improving one’s standard of living should be the primary goal of every person. And if at times this goal of achieving maximum wealth collides with any other notion (e.g religious, cultural) then that other notion should be changed or modified so as to help in their gaining wealth and comfort.

ANY nation who would do it will achieve similar results. Japanese followed the similar ideals and their development became an envy of all of Europe and a rival of America. If European development has ANYTHING to do with their being white then why did Japanese succeed, in some aspects, even more than Europeans and Americans?
Now China has also focused their attention on nation-building, and look at their pace! Just like previous century was American, the current century is probably going to be Chinese century.

Are Chinese white?

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Re: Superiority of white over brown, yellow, black?

So dear Tom, skin color and development are not directly proportional. Do not feel inferior because of your skin color. Our nation, Pakistan, can also achieve great heights. What is needed is sincere governments whose main aim should be to do the best for their nation.
Chanting slogans of 'Pakistan Zindabad' and singing milli do not make help Pakistan in anyway. What is required of Pakistanis is to do whatever they are doing with the best of their abilities and with honesty.
Pakistan will be 'Zindabad' only if we are sincere to ourselves and to our jobs/duties, otherwise we will only be singing national songs and achieving nothing.