Re: Lotay Wanted
Perfect time for boot-shiners to rise.
Your incoherent response does not make any sense. ZAB resigned as Foreign Minister during peak rule of Ayub Khan in 1966, formed his party in 1967 and became staunch oponent of Ayub Khan.
Re: Lotay Wanted
lol You have no reply in another thread. During sixties there was no concept of democracy. Pakistan was mostly ruled by dictatorship. Read a good book on Pakistan History.
Acha jee...
Going by that logic, there was no democracy during 80s, so any politicians who started their careers during this time in Zia's cabinet are as innocent as Bhutto.
Hey na?
Re: Lotay Wanted
Yes,
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Re: Lotay Wanted
Acha jee... Going by that logic, there was no democracy during 80s, so any politicians who started their careers during this time in Zia's cabinet are as innocent as Bhutto.
Hey na?
Again wrong. Zia malown came to power by dislodging lawful democratic government. At that time there was clear cut choice to support democracy or this illegetimate general. Many politicians and judiciary supported this malown. The illegetimate progeny of politicians borned and prospered at that time is now even afraid to take his name. I don't know what are you talking about?
Re: Lotay Wanted
Again wrong. Zia malown came to power by dislodging lawful democratic government. At that time there was clear cut choice to support democracy or this illegetimate general. Many politicians and judiciary supported this malown. The illegetimate progeny of politicians borned and prospered at that time is now even afraid to take his name. I don't know what are you talking about?
And Ayub Khan came to power in 1958 by what?
By sweeping the elections I guess...
LOL.
Re: Lotay Wanted
And Ayub Khan came to power in 1958 by what?
By sweeping the elections I guess...
LOL.
aray bhai there was no democracy in Pakistan at that time. He dislodged another dictatorship of the time, when Bhutto was commerce minister in that dictatorship too and continued his position till he created differences with Ayub Khan.
Re: Super and Permanent Lotay Joining Imran Khan's PTI
A similar thread 'Lotay Wanted' has opened, moderator to please merge this thread as the topic of thread is same.
Re: Lotay Wanted
There is a day and night difference between** volunteer donation** and ransom.
Parties can introduce volunteer membership fee, which, people who love their leaders will be more than glad to pay. There are people out there who even sell their mobile phones to see one glimpse of their leaders. You can start merchandise, you can arrange paid dinners for your party and so on. There are so many creative and legal ways to do this.
Do you live in Pakistan? ... I feel that either you have good sense of humour or you are illusionist living in some western countries unaware of Pakistani realities. If you really believed what Imran said about Mirza Ali selling his mobile to attend jalsa in Karachi, I pity you. :) Waisay, Pakistani politicians live on people who could believe anything they claim.
You should know that in Pakistan people could rob shrouds from graveyards and you could easily lose your slipper if they are good and you left them unattended in mosque. In this country most people do not like to contribute to political parties, they only expect to get something from political parties or politicians. You must have seen how people were grabbing cake pieces from Nawaz shareef party celebrating 25[SUP]th[/SUP] anniversary of his loot-khasoot. You must have also seen how people looted ‘chairs’, clothes from banners, and even wood sticks of flags and portraits from PTI Jalsa arranged by kasuri (kasuri lost over Rs 4 million worth of Kursis).
Leave party supporters and workers contributing to party, even leaders in most parties are choors who want to use politics not to serve people but to loot and plunder. Have you seen Jalsa of Nawaz where he was giving speeches against electricity theft and at the same time Jalsa was lavishly lightened using Kunda to steel electricity? Well, police all over the world are supposed to curb thefts and illegal works but many Pakistani police stations are built on illegally occupied lands and use stolen electricity for police station need.
In Pakistan it is joke to talk about people contributing to political parties voluntarily.
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Now if you want to tell me that putting a gun on someone's head and ask him to chose between his life or pay a hefty ransom aka. Bhatta is justifiable, then go ahead and also start justifying snatching of cars, mobile phones, armed robberies and so on.
After all everyone who is doing these heinous crimes against humanity has one reason or the other to justify their acts.
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I do not want to pollute this thread with MQM and Bhatta but then it is no good leaving question unanswered. :) Anyhow, your question is related to the topic too, as it shows how some necessary evils, like depending on Lotas or forced donations could become need for a party.
I am not justifying anything. Anyhow, since I believe party is working for betterment of the city and giving reasonable services to people, services that no political party ever provided to people of Karachi even when Karachi elected them, I am satisfied and willing to tolerate such collections (if happening) and consider such collections are donations (be they forced donations for some).
On the other hand, I do realise that there are people who may have enough but still do not want to donate anything. Anyhow, if party still collects donation from them, maybe using force (I am not sure if that happens), than I believe it is their hard luck.
As for nature of such donations, according to my brother who lives on 2 Kanal house worth around Rs50 million, MQM occasionally comes to collect donations. MQM collections in the name of Fitra (during Eid) or other names come to around few hundred rupees a year, an amount my brother can easily afford. But then, poor and destitute who my brother know do not contribute anything, rather they get out of MQM in the form of medical, educational and material help. For instant, I am told about one doctor in USA who was once MQM student leader visits Karachi regularly in winter with own several ‘stents’ to perform for poor and needy free angioplasty under MQM patronage (an ordinary stent cost around $1000 and medicated stent cost around $2000 ... but few lucky poor under MQM patronage in these cases get free 'stent' and free doctor's procedure). There must be several doctors like him in MQM.
Thus, my brother is satisfied because he thinks that the work done in the city by MQM, work that facilitates my brother movement in the city as well as needs, more than compensate what they collect as donation from him.
Re: Lotay Wanted
I believe that story about Mirza btw. You can pity me all you like :)
And why if you don't want to hijack the thread you write big essays??
Re: Lotay Wanted
I believe that story about Mirza btw. You can pity me all you like :)
And why if you don't want to hijack the thread you write big essays??
yaar aap believe karo, it is up to you. :).
As for me writing big essays, that to me is not essays but information. I do not like one line statements that has no substance. :) Ab aap jo samjho.
Re: Lotay Wanted
Interesting article about IK’s sudden rise, after 15 years of getting nowhere
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\12\28\story_28-12-2011_pg3_6
ANALYSIS: Imran Khan: tsunami or hot air balloon? —Mohammad Ali Mahar
That the tsunami is coming looks for sure. What will be left of the country after the water tides recede is not known
After wandering in the political desert of Pakistan for 15 years, Imran Khan finally seems to be led to the ‘promised’ land of power.
One wonders why all those who used to ridicule and laugh at Mr Khan’s TV talk show sponsored demagoguery for 15 long years have, all of a sudden, during the past six months or so, discovered a messiah in him. Why are the established puppets of the establishment making a beeline to join the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI)? Let’s examine.
About a year or so ago one saw news items and analyses carried by some of the Pakistani newspapers disclosing the establishment’s plans that the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) was being prepared for a bigger role in the affairs of the country and that the setup was being so configured that a large number of establishment-steered, seat winning, big players from Punjab would, censuring both the major parties of corruption, misrule and bad governance, start joining the party, thus creating a role for the MQM in Punjab and paving the way for its ascent to the ultimate power centre in Islamabad — its presence having already been stage-managed in Muzaffarabad and Gilgit assemblies to give it a national level party look and feel.
Then, unfortunately for the MQM, Zulfiqar Mirza happened. And with that all the good-intentioned schemes of the establishment went awry. The establishment now needed a new horse to put its saddle on. However, they wanted someone who could take the MQM along, for they did not want to shoot the limping, but still useful, horse as yet.
The establishment had invested a lot in Imran Khan ever since the Zia days. General Hamid Gul, the grandfather of all the spooks in Pakistan, had spent long hours mentoring his protégé and teaching him the tricks of the political trade.
Who can forget the episode in the 1990s when General Hamid Gul, Imran Khan and some of their cronies met with the well-known philanthropist, Abdul Sattar Edhi, and demanded his support in staging a coup against the democratic government of Benazir Bhutto. The poor old man, Edhi, got so scared by idea of the quasi-military revolution that he took the first flight out.
When Nawaz Sharif was sacked in a coup in October 1999, both Imran Khan and his mentor saw an opportunity to enter the pearly gates of the Prime Minister House, only this time, each one of them wanting it for himself. Soon, however, Gul being an experienced player at the political dirty games, realised that there was nothing in it for him and, therefore, distanced himself from the dictator. Imran Khan’s hopes were kept alive for some more time. The establishment used him to such an extent that Imran started rallying support for Musharraf’s regime. He was shown the door later, however, when he demanded the top slot. Musharraf now had to choose between Khan and the MQM. The MQM was more suited to Musharraf’s needs both politically as well as ethnically. Therefore, poor Imran Khan had to leave. The MQM had a field day while Musharraf misruled the country until the dictator’s ignominious exit from power as well as the country.
Meanwhile, Benazir Bhutto is assassinated and as a result of the elections, Zardari gets himself anointed. The Saudi royal’s aversion to the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) in general and Zardari in particular is not hidden from anyone. The Saudi King’s remarks against the elected Pakistani president are on the record. Saudi efforts in the past to dismantle the Benazir governments are no secret either. The Pakistani establishment, historically close to its Saudi counterparts, could not overlook that. With the utter incompetence, corruption and the current PPP government’s indifference to the common man’s problems, combined with the junta’s perceived mistrust of the Sindhis and Baloch, the top brass is being kept on its toes for all the four years this government has been in power.
It was in this context that the establishment started promoting the MQM in Punjab and elsewhere in Pakistan. However, it was soon realised that unlike Sindh, Punjab was too hard a nut to try to crack for the MQM.
Come May and the Abbottabad incident followed by Memogate — a scandal that literally broke the back of the camel. How much Zardari’s involvement is in the affair, only God knows. However, the establishment has got the gift it was looking for. That combined with the likely victory of the PPP in the March Senate elections has hastened the process that was set in motion as soon as Zardari was sworn in. Either through the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO) case, Memogate, or under any other pretext, the stars say that this government’s fate has been sealed.
But then who next? Nawaz Sharif, the erstwhile betting horse, having turned on his masters, has lost his utility. The Chaudhries firmly sticking to Zardari and the MOM getting out of the equation due to its failed misadventures in Punjab as well as the Zulfiqar Mirza factor, what choice is the establishment left with except for pumping hot air in the balloon named Imran Khan, a person the establishment had lost hope in due to his lack of political astuteness. An impression is now being created for fair-weather birds, with the induction of known establishment faces that this time, Huma, the proverbial bird of power, is going to rest on Imran Khan’s head.
That the tsunami is coming looks for sure. What will be left of the country after the water tides recede is not known. Neither does it seem to be any of the establishment’s concerns.
Re: Lotay Wanted
yaar aap believe karo, it is up to you. :).
As for me writing big essays, that to me is not essays but information. I do not like one line statements that has no substance. :) Ab aap jo samjho.
Fine Saleem bhai :)
Re: Super and Permanent Lotay Joining Imran Khan's PTI
You sarcasm misses the point, that Imran is bringing back the same people who caused the situations you posted about.
He is bringing back the PPP to power?
Re: Super and Permanent Lotay Joining Imran Khan's PTI
I w'd take clean lotas (SMQ, Javed Hashmi) over looters (Zardari, Babar Awan, Rehman Malik) any day
Re: Super and Permanent Lotay Joining Imran Khan's PTI
I w'd take clean lotas (SMQ, Javed Hashmi) over looters (Zardari, Babar Awan, Rehman Malik) any day
But then expect tsunami or revolution. These clean lotas were with every government.
Re: Lotay Wanted
If he was effective boot polisher he would’ve been PM/President post 1999, seems like Bhutto was more skillful than Imran Khan 
Re: Super and Permanent Lotay Joining Imran Khan's PTI
But then expect tsunami or revolution. These clean lotas were with every government.
Yeah but they never worked under an honest and sincere leader.. big difference
Re: Lotay Wanted
Bhutto was anything, but a democrat & he himself was by-product of military rule. You should read some of the letters like this:
Re: Lotay Wanted
Yes. He was brought by Ayub Khan.
Re: Lotay Wanted
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interesting article.
I dont know public need what kind of Inqelab!!