I heard the similar story from a friend who heard it from his grandparents, but several things make me suspect that it was more of a propaganda story to boost morale than actual fact.
1) The underside of tanks are armoured. You either need a very large amount of explosive (more than a human can carry, such as ...
Ur good logics make sense
I heard the similar story from a friend who heard it from his grandparents, but several things make me suspect that it was more of a propaganda story to boost morale than actual fact.
1) The underside of tanks are armoured. You either need a very large amount of explosive (more than a human can carry, such as ...
Ur good logics make sense
Suicide of all kind is haram (regardless of whoever commits suicide and for whatever the reason), be that suicide is for honour, to run away from worldly miseries, or to kill enemies in battle. In war, even if there is possibility that suicide could turn a battle, then also suicide is haram. All who do suicide for whatever reasons die a death of kufr and are Jahanummi. Apart of that Allah has forbidden suicide, reasons are obvious too, and those reasons are:
Those who are Muslim and believe on Allah, believes that this life is test and everything whatever happens in this world, Allah is always in control. Thus for Muslims, victory, defeat, gain, loss, occupation, independence, honour, pain, wealth, misery, blessing, good or bad future, everything is in the hands of Allah. Allah test individuals and occasionally whole community collectively, through all these things. So, a Muslim tries to change things according to his abilities and rightful means, but at the same time tries to accept all situations without getting depress, desperate, or running away from test (committing suicide). Anyone who does not believe that Allah is in control of everything and does not accept that situations and circumstances are part of test, than that person is not Muslim (in belief), and if anyone dies with this belief then the person dies a death of kufr (death with disbelief on Allah).
Those who rely on suicide for whatever reasons do not believe that Allah is always in control of everything, and thus they want to change things with their suicide (so that they can avoid something in life or change something around them). These people kill themselves intentionally. If they had believe on Allah, they would never run away from his test by committing suicide for whatever reasons (as their belief that all is in the hand of Allah, and this life is test, would stop them committing suicide). Anyone who dies with belief that everything is not in the hand of Allah, thus they can change thing with suicide, and that this life is not test, that person dies a death of kufr (disbelief) and would end up in Jahannum. Unfortunately, those who really commit suicide for whatever reasons, at time of suicide they die with belief of kufr (disbelief) and since they are already dead with no chance of repenting, they (like all who do suicide) become jahannumi.
[Note: Anyhow, if a person really find himself in such awkward situation that the person has to jump into danger and death is imminent then also that person should think that he could save his life from that situation and he should really try to save his life even if chances are almost 0 percent to survive, as that is necessary if that person do not want to die a death of kufr (that means, even if that person dies, his intention should be not to die). For instance, considering 1965 war ... if some people took bombs and hid somewhere in front of Indian advancing tanks with intention to put the bombs in front of the tank and escape, knowing that there was almost 0 chance of escaping, and hence in the process they died, than that is not suicide even though some might say that it was suicide, as their intention was not to die.]
Re: Suicide bombings in 1965 war by Pak fauj
^^ You have turned all 313 warriors of Badr as jahanumi!!!
313 when they departed to fight against the 1000 warriors of Makkah, they had no armors nor they were equipped with the weapons, this was for sure a suicide to be in the war where one is not only short of man-power but 80% of the men were without weapons of that time... it was surely a suicide...
Than you are converting the Shadat of Masa'b Bin Umair (RZA) into a suicide, he could have easily left he the flag and have ran to save his life in the battle of Uhad, but he did something you are calling suicide, he decided to stay, he body parts were cut, still he kept the flag high, now according to your defination that was again a suicide... but Prophet Mohammad (SAW) said all the shaheeds of Uhad have gone to Jannah..
there are countless examples from the era of Prophet Mohammad (SAW), there are countless benefits for shaheed announced by Allah in Quran, there is a hadees that if a woman kills her sefl while saving her honor, she is also a shaheed... In the warfare, there is need to extra ordinary missions and bravery to accomplish them, men are selected, they take this mission on their own will, and some of them may die acheiving it.. som emay return... this happens in all the countries in all the religions.. but yes when the war comes on Pakistan, you have liberty to use same vague refernces and save urself... but please do not convey the wrong information
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Were those you mentioned had intention to die, or had intention that they would fight until victory, but would not give up even if they die in process?
Re: Suicide bombings in 1965 war by Pak fauj
^^ Have u missed the example of Masab Bin Umair (RZA)
The intention was not of 'getting killed', but 'kill as many as possible' without caring to save their own life. That is the twist given by fanatics to justify suicide bombing.
they did have desire of shahadat ..
but you put it nicely also
^^ Have u missed the example of Masab Bin Umair (RZA)
Did he have intention to die? Or his intention was to keep the flag high until victory, but not to give up even if he loses his life in process?
they did have desire of shahadat ..
but you put it nicely also
Intention or wanting (desire) of death for oneself is kufr (I did not write intention of Shahadah because there is no such death with intention that can be called Shahadah). One should never wish that he die. It is fard on human to save his own life to the best of his ability.
Desire of Shahadah for oneself is not kufr as such death comes unintentionally when a person has intention to risk his life in the cause of Islam and live (be victorious, be Ghazi) but in process dies.
Re: Suicide bombings in 1965 war by Pak fauj
^Another self declared Mulla Fatwa
Did he have intention to die? Or his intention was to keep the flag high until victory, but not to give up even if he loses his life in process?
you seems to have no knowledge what so ever about the battle of Uhad or may be you are ignoring it for the sake of argument
You must know that the Flag of the Army is most secured zone, enemy can only attack the flag holder when they have more than 99% chance to win and the guardians of the flag have been either killed or are now fighting a battle to give the save passage to their generals...
I don't think i need to say anymore... Masab bin Umair (RZA) knew that he will die if he didn't ran and still He (RZA) decided to stay... i think Masab Bin Umain (RZA) and many others were not aware of your strategy... but
yes there are armies which always made a plan to how to run from the battlefield and they are exactly the same people who think same as you have stated in your post... so yes people with this mentality always existed...
you seems to have no knowledge what so ever about the battle of Uhad or may be you are ignoring it for the sake of argument
You must know that the Flag of the Army is most secured zone, enemy can only attack the flag holder when they have more than 99% chance to win and the guardians of the flag have been either killed or are now fighting a battle to give the save passage to their generals...
I don't think i need to say anymore... Masab bin Umair (RZA) knew that he will die if he didn't ran and still He (RZA) decided to stay... i think Masab Bin Umain (RZA) and many others were not aware of your strategy... but
yes there are armies which always made a plan to how to run from the battlefield and they are exactly the same people who think same as you have stated in your post... so yes people with this mentality always existed...
Do you believe that Masab bin Umair (RA) believed on Allah? To me, he was Muslim and did believe on Allah.
So, if he believed on Allah, how he knew that he would die and that Allah would not be able to save him if Allah wishes so? ... As certainly if Allah wanted to, he would have been safe (that is and should be Iman of all Muslims).
To me, he was holding the flag with all conviction and intention that as long as he is alive he would keep holding the flag, and that if in process Allah decides that he dies than it would be shahadat for him. Obviously, if he had ran away to save his life than it would have meant that he did not believed on Allah and had no Iman, so there is no way he would have ran away. That is all.
^^ Have u missed the example of Masab Bin Umair (RZA)
I believe that he was struck down by others, not himself?
The accounts I read of his martydom at Uhud say that he was killed by another man. T
While it was very likely that he would die when he went to pick up the banner, , it wasn't certain. At any point until the final sword blow that brought him down, he would have remained alive had his enemy chosen to show mercy on him.
With suicide bombing, even if the person the bomber is attacking decides not to land a killing shot or blow on the bomber, the bomber still commits the action that kills himself.
Re: Suicide bombings in 1965 war by Pak fauj
So, now we know how easy it is for muslims to justify suicide attacks.
^^ You have turned all 313 warriors of Badr as jahanumi!!!
313 when they departed to fight against the 1000 warriors of Makkah, they had no armors nor they were equipped with the weapons, this was for sure a suicide to be in the war where one is not only short of man-power but 80% of the men were without weapons of that time... it was surely a suicide...
Not really. Those 313 didn't go there to kill themselves, as I said in earlier post they went to "fight" the enemy without caring for their lives thats greatly different from killing yourself alongwith others.
they did have desire of shahadat ..
but you put it nicely also
Having desire of shahadat puts you in the battlefield to fight others but that does not mean that you are willing to kill yourself, with desire of shahadat you are ready to be killed by others.
Re: Suicide bombings in 1965 war by Pak fauj
^ Exactly, please educate us of any incident from Islamic history (and no, al qaeda, taliban, laskhar/jaish are not part of islamic history) where the islamic fighter died by their own hands.