ya tell me what i am reaping? you are the one whos is crying in every single post and you may cry till you are dead coz forget that india is giving up kashmir.
and BTW i didnt mentioned anything like kashmiri muslims to blow up..but no doubt that the way you are spitting poison one day you goona be one of them.
You're the one spitting poison. Even pro India Kashmiris would resent the stuff u and that gesto posted. Even within India though, I'm actually glad article 370 exists, at least it keeps the filth from ever settling in Kashmir.
This is untrue and sounds like well rehearsed drivel from Islamabad talking points.
Truth was actually well stated in the following statement in a article written by a well known gentleman from Gilgit area:
“India is not perpetrating even one hundredth part of the repression that people spread over an area of 28,000 miles have been facing for the past 50 years. The Indian Government has given people all their fundamental human rights and in spite of that they are in a state of confrontation against the government. But the people of this region (Northern Areas) are far behind the rest of the world in matters of fundamental human rights, justice and economic development.”
Amir Hamza Querishi wrote this around 2002. Things have actually improved tremendously even further in Jammu & Kashmir whereas things have worsened remarkably on the Northern Areas referred to above.
Another Indian, googling stuff without having ever been to either places... /sigh
Innocent people dont die on a daily basis in NA or AJK, they do in Indian J&K. Have you ever heard the saying 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'? thats what that Amir Hamza Querishi dude is trying to pull in that. I'm not pro pak, but Indian side (the valley mainly) is a lot worse off :/, Jammu is much better off than NA, but AJK is better off than Jammu, Ladakh is just plain neglected compared to Chinese Tibet (I think they actually prefer it tht way though).
Re: Successful protest gives Kashmiris in India a sense of freedom
I agree I have not been to pakistan Occupied Kashmir but I have been to Simla and Srinagar. But why do you object to finding things by google or whatever search?
So how does one conclude whether what this guy is writing is true or what the Pakistani's are writing are true? I tend to trust India and friends of India a lot more because India's record of transparency is a lot better than that of Pakistan. It has also been widely accepted that much of violence in J&K was the result of Pakistani efforts to stir up things.
Given that, my judgement on the issue is very clear that people accusing India of atrocities are typically Pakistani agenda driven but Indian army should have also examined its own actions earlier than they started. Because of this, to a certain extent Pakistan has succeeded in creating a group of people in Kashmir who have started hating India, as demonstrated by the person here.
It is very unfortunate and sad but blaming India for everything is simply mischievous
Because of this, to a certain extent Pakistan has succeeded in creating a group of people in Kashmir who have started hating India, as demonstrated by the person here.
Pakistan didn't have to create anything. Resentment towards Indian occupation has existed since day one...and though you Indians love to deny it, by all indications, roughly 90% of Kashmir's population wants India out of their country.
As for the comparison with the Northern Areas, the person who wrote that passage you quoted is either delusional, or knows nothing about what goes on in Indian Occupied Kashmir. Forget about the 60 years of sham elections rigged by the authorities in New Delhi...those are mere political rights. There are much more pressing issues on hand...like India's draconian laws in J&K that trample on even the most basic human rights. The Indian Supreme Court has already ruled that the life of a Kashmiri civilian is worthless...Indian security forces have been granted the right to kill anyone they want without so much as a shred of evidence...what more is there to say? As for markers of social development, the literacy rate in Gilgit/Baltistan is right on par with that of the Kashmir Valley, while the Hunza Valley (also in the Northern Areas) enjoys nearly universal literacy. The literacy rate in AJK is well above India's national average (not to mention J&K). The urban infrastructure in Mirpur, the commercial capital of AJK, makes Srinagar look downright medieval.
As for the comparison with the Northern Areas, the person who wrote that passage you quoted is either delusional, or knows nothing about what goes on in Indian Occupied Kashmir. Forget about the 60 years of sham elections rigged by the authorities in New Delhi...those are mere political rights. There are much more pressing issues on hand...like India's draconian laws in J&K that trample on even the most basic human rights.
You cannot even compare India's state of rights with the poor status in Pakistan as is proven in the FreedomHouse.Org 2008 (or prior years) determinations.
For your reference: USA India Pakistan S.Lanka China BD
Political Rights 1 2 6 4 7 5
Civil Liberties 1 3 5 4 6 4
Status Free Free Not Free Partly Free N.Free P.F
Enough to prove India has established a much much better rights than anyone else in the region in spite of abject poverty and being a very large ship with one of the most diverse religious and ethnic mix.
I agree I have not been to pakistan Occupied Kashmir but I have been to Simla and Srinagar. But why do you object to finding things by google or whatever search?
So how does one conclude whether what this guy is writing is true or what the Pakistani's are writing are true? I tend to trust India and friends of India a lot more because India's record of transparency is a lot better than that of Pakistan. It has also been widely accepted that much of violence in J&K was the result of Pakistani efforts to stir up things.
Given that, my judgement on the issue is very clear that people accusing India of atrocities are typically Pakistani agenda driven but Indian army should have also examined its own actions earlier than they started. Because of this, to a certain extent Pakistan has succeeded in creating a group of people in Kashmir who have started hating India, as demonstrated by the person here.
It is very unfortunate and sad but blaming India for everything is simply mischievous
Because, janab will keep finding pro Pakistani stuff on google, whilst you'll keep finding pro Indian stuff on google, and the arguments will continue.
I dont blame India for everything, I personally think Kashmir is better off with India than it would be with Pakistan. However, Indian troops have committed horrendous humans rights violations in Kashmir, they have been backed by the Indian government and the Indian people in doing so, so the resentment towards the Indian government and troops should be understandable. People who hate India in Kashmir don't necessarily like Pakistan, most don't even care, they just want to live in peace, something India nor Pakistan is letting them do.
Everyone knows that Kashmir is never going to go to Pakistan as its just not possible, so why cant you silly Indians get over Pakistan and start talking about protecting your friggin border properly to stop terrorists from crossing borders, to stop flow of illegal arms. Indian army fails itself and then labels kashmiris as terrorists, and stages seiges to feed propaganda to idiots like gesto and chintu. Just watch the Kashmir documentaries on youtube made by Brits and Americans, they give a neutral perspective and show that Kashmiris prefer independence over India and Pakistan, but prefer India over Pakistan....
You cannot even compare India's state of rights with the poor status in Pakistan as is proven in the FreedomHouse.Org 2008 (or prior years) determinations.
For your reference: USA India Pakistan S.Lanka China BD
Political Rights 1 2 6 4 7 5
Civil Liberties 1 3 5 4 6 4
Status Free Free Not Free Partly Free N.Free P.F
Enough to prove India has established a much much better rights than anyone else in the region in spite of abject poverty and being a very large ship with one of the most diverse religious and ethnic mix.
India will still commit atrocities, and deny innocent people basic human rights, and defend itself under the bogus 'terrorism' umbrella. It happens in J&K, and I'm sure you know it.
Everyone knows that Kashmir is never going to go to Pakistan as its just not possible, so why cant you silly Indians get over Pakistan and start talking about protecting your friggin border properly to stop terrorists from crossing borders, to stop flow of illegal arms.
you're right about this. I can only say that we Indians have a not so trivial bunch of neanderthals too in our political, religious as well as military establishments. The checks and balances process are insufficient and the resultant corruption leads to bribery regime on the civilian life and mistreatment of accused . suspected etc on the law enforcement side.
That said, there is a significant realization amongst the authorities and leaders that this has cost us dearly in Kashmir.
There is really no excuse for not better protecting the borders.
India will still commit atrocities, and deny innocent people basic human rights, and defend itself under the bogus 'terrorism' umbrella. It happens in J&K, and I'm sure you know it.
not on purpose, not anymore. The cases of 'fake encounters' were a huge revelation for everyone in India
If I were you I wouldn't be so 'arrogant', mighty US army hasn't achieved zilch in Afghanistan.
I do not know how you spotted `arrogance' in post and that makes me really embarassed.
Nope friend,you should have taken the geography in to consideration before making this statement.The terrain of Afghanistan is such that Taliban get enough hideouts and it has a considerable support from I.S.I(I am not forgetting that terrorists in Kashmir are also getting I.S.I aid).But Taliban is a proven militia with lot of experienced fighters who are not only Afghani' but also there are Arabs,Chechens and Yemenis. Taliban has huge cache of arms possessed by them and also in reserve and they literally face no paucity of arms supply.Taliban has got direct control of many parts of Afhnaistan and many others parts ae under their direct or indirect influence.Its vast terrain and NATO simply can't bomb each and every location they spot on fearing a public and government backlash.But inspite of that they continue to do excellent works.
Kindly donot forget that Taliban is loosing it's grounds in Afghanistan.The mighty NATO strikes are so powerful that Taliban is losing its cadres in large numbers .You cant cite one or two incidents where Taiban over ran some villages and the media hyped much about it ,but look at the way even DANISH forces are repelling Taliban attacks effectively and taking back thelost places.Seeing this pathetic plight only, Taliban has stepped up its murderous activities in Afghanistan, targetting civilians.
Kindly remember one more thing that Taliban has experience of ruling this country for five years,and undoubtedly it would have given them some inroads to people.
Whereas,Kashmir is a small terrain and terrorists have to rely on our western neighbour completely,who can back-up terrorists only seasonly(Seasonly I meant according to our neighbour's or it's intelligence agencies fiscal efficiencies).Kahmiri terrorists do not possess very hight sophisticated weapons ,like Taliban do.Terrorists have got little public support in Kashmir and that makes things worst for them.Each day the support for arms struggle is dimnishing in Kashmir.
Moreover,only Indian army comprising (B.S.F , C.R.P.F and paramilitary)need to be in action in Kashmir because terrorists do not have the capability to carry out large scale attacks like Taliban in Afghanistan.(It reduces the need for providing airstrikes or air cover).Terrorists main favourite item is Fidayeen attacks for which Kashmiri's are not available and have to entirely rely on Foregign mercanaries.There has been not a single case of large scale attack reported in Kashmir and the few instances terrorists assembled somewhere and posed threats were in Hazratbal incident and Char-E-Sharif incident,and in both the cases terrorists had to leave the place.
You expect me to believe that literacy rates went up by 10% between 2001-2004. During the comparatively calm & prosperous 1970’s, literacy went up by a grand total of 8%. But somehow, in war-torn J&K at the peak of the militancy, it shot up by 10% in just 3 years. Forget the more affluent states in third-world India…wealthy, rapidly developing nations like Malaysia & Thailand have never seen that kind of growth.
If your government is going to make up numbers, they should at least try to keep them believable.
You cannot even compare India's state of rights with the poor status in Pakistan as is proven in the FreedomHouse.Org 2008 (or prior years) determinations.
I'm not talking about India as a whole. I'm talking about Indian Occupied Kashmir, and the sorry state of human rights there.
Is India's democracy overall more functional than Pakistan's? Absolutely.
Has that ever meant anything in Kashmir? No...for the exact same reason that Israel will never extend basic democratic rights to the people of the West Bank & Gaza...namely there's absolutely no way to maintain hegemonic control over an overwhelmingly hostile & resentful people who want nothing to do with your country while still maintaining any semblance of a functional democracy.
And we're not even talking about the frank atrocities committed by Indian security forces against Kashmiri civilians with full support from the government and legal system. Like I said before, it's hard to make any believable arguments about the "rights" we enjoy in Kashmir when the Supreme Court has already ruled that the army can not be held held responsible for killing any Kashmiri civilian without even a shred of evidence.
The link i had provided was from Government of Pakistan … infact the report was called "Year Book 2005 -2006"this was the document from the Ministry of Kashmir Affairs and Northern Areas. I would rather belive this "independent"source then look at figures from some university report. Now you are really clinging to straws here.
The link i had provided was from Government of Pakistan ..... infact the report was called "Year Book 2005 -2006"this was the document from the Ministry of Kashmir Affairs and Northern Areas. I would rather belive this "independent"source then look at figures from some university report. Now you are really clinging to straws here.
Those are figures are fully referenced, and come from the Aga Khan Foundation, which has played an active role in the development of the region.
Those are figures are fully referenced, and come from the Aga Khan Foundation, which has played an active role in the development of the region.
The figures i gave were from Pakistan government ...... they rule that area so i would go with those figures. They know for sure what is happening in their areas ... or do they?