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Just to add, I don't think this idea will necessarily work. The fielding restrictions idea is better than this substitute clause.
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I think the substitution law will benefit every teams, players like Mcgrath, Kaneria, and other bowlers who cant bat wont have to bat anymore, they can now only play as bowlers, and can be replaced by batsman when they are batting, this will give teams not only an extra bowling option, but also will have an extra batsman.. for example India usually plays with 7 batsmen and 3 specialist bowlers, now they can still play with 7 batsman but now they can have an extra bowler who doesnt need to bat.. so this could benefit their bowling.. Pakistan on the otherhand will now be able to play extra bowler like Kanera or Gul and then have Asim Kamal bat for them giving them extra stability in both departments..
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imran nazir can be used at the end for a bowler to do some hitting!
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ECB to embrace one-day innovations
England and Australia are set to become the first teams to test-drive the ICC’s new one-day regulations, when the three-match NatWest Challenge gets underway at Headingley next week.
Two new innovations have been approved at this week’s ICC meeting at Lord’s - flexible fielding restrictions and, more controversially, the use of substitutes - and although the plan was to be trialled worldwide from July 30, England and Australia have been given special dispensation to get underway early, after pressure from the tournament sponsors NatWest, who want to mark their 25th anniversary of cricket sponsorship in style.
The fielding restrictions have changed from a block of 15 overs at the start of an innings to a total of 20 throughout, with a mandatory 10 first up, plus two blocks of five to be used at the fielding side’s discretion. The substitutes issue is sure to raise more eyebrows, however, with each side allowed one replacement who will be able to bat and bowl, providing the original player is not already out or has bowled their quota of overs.
“It’s a big decision, but we should welcome the recommendation,” said David Collier, the ECB’s chief executive, who will confer with the game’s stakeholders - NatWest, Sky television and the BBC - before reaching an agreement. “Spectators have been telling us that the middle period of the game is becoming predictable and this should help liven it up. We believe it’s a positive proposal and something the crowd will enjoy.”
The final word, however, will rest with the respective coaches, Duncan Fletcher and John Buchanan, and the international team management group at the ECB
SOURCE:
http://content.cricinfo.com/natwestchallenge/content/story/212114.html
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A team that relies on All rounders would not get much benefit. Allrounders would not be needed for ODIs if you could switch a batsman with a bowler at the half time. Pakistan has allrounders like Malik, Razzaq and Shahid, so Pakistan may not gain anything from this rule. However teams like India would gain more because they r lacking good allrounders.
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That substitution idea is unfair. Many records will be overwritten because we're playing with 12 players instead of 11. Secondly, substitution might not always work unless carefully planned. What if Pakistan starts the game with an extra batsman and a bowler short (e.g., playing Salman Butt instead of Mohammad Sami) thinking they'd use Butt for batting and replace him with Sami for bowling, but they lose the toss and are asked to bowl first. Now they are a bowler short and their game plan is in disarray.
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At least for now, these new laws will haunt Pakistan more than any other team purely based on the credentials of its current captain. Without any doubt, the batting form of Inzimam has achieved a legendary status after becoming the skipper but his ability to think out of the box and more importantly to think fast is still far less than average. Time after time, Inzi has shown that he feels more relaxed with the traditional way of playing cricket. In other words, Inzi waits for things to happen by themselves in the filed rather than doing something innovative!!!
Now with this new law asking the fielding captain to select two additional blocks of five overs with fielding restrictions in place at his own discretion would be the last nail in inzi’s captaincy coffin. This law requires the fielding captain to assess the situation really fast and make the decision. In addition, each match would be different from the other and therefore increases the importance of a sharp and witty captain such as Fleming. That is where I can see Inzi crumbling. Bob Wolmer can help Inzi with the other new law, replacement of one player, but no coach can help his skipper much with the law regarding the selection of two additional blocks of five overs.
This particular law may prove to be extremely crucial in coming days. Plus, I also feel that we will see a new wave of criticism focused on the losing captain for selecting wrong blocks of overs.
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Help me understand, why can’t the coach either devise a strategy in advance with the captain, or send him advice in real-time during the innings on when to start the two blocks of 5-overs? Afterall, a coach is sitting just outside the boundary line, with his laptop and his cricket acuman bubbling. All it takes is a 12th man running in with a bottle of water at the end of an over. Or easier still, for the coach to make a pre-arranged hand-gesture to the captain to start the block of overs now.
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Bascially I think all side will be able to play an extra batsman. I dont think any one country will benefit more then the rest. They'll all have one extra batsman that they'll replace with a bowelr when it's time to bowl. Every team will benefit from this, I think the ODI's will continue to be high scoring for this reason. Plus since the field restrictions are increaed to 15 overs with a mandatory first block of 5 I think it would really become interesting but captains will also have to raise their skills. Inzimam bhai kay to paseeney nikal jayengay soochtey soochtey and we'll be stuck giving the last 10 overs with fielders inside if he forgets to implement that at any other stage.
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I dont think it would be that easy. You can do this 12th man water thing a few times or a few hand gestures but over the course of a 50 over match if you keep taking the water breaks the over rate will fall too far behind plus even then the on filed captain will have to take the responsibilty of taking decisions. If Inzi depends that much of Bob Woolmer
a) What would he do if and when Bob decides to leave. Comparing to previous coaches you can see not too many coahces have stayed too long with Pakistan cricket team.
b) A player notices a weakness in a batsman and want to exploit it and approaches Inzimam about it. What would he do ?? Go with the players plan cause he believes in him, analyze and make the decision or take a little break and go back to talk to Bob.
c) So one day Bob goes out and eats some Nihaari with players and the next day he is an upset stomach. Would he go and take care of his immediate needs or spoil his pants so he can site there and babysit and spoon feed Inzimam ??
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Faisal, I had these options in my mind and honestly speaking, what you said is definitely practical and one would certainly see such acts from the coach periodically. But the emphasis is on word “periodically”. Practically speaking, no coach would be able to guide his skipper on this issue in each and every match. As stated by Imran Khan and Ian Chappel several times that that once the match starts, captain has to make all the decisions. And it definitely makes sense. Not to mention that coaches hardly interfere in field placing or bowling changes even during the test matches.
It has a lot to do with one’s ego too and one cannot deny this important factor. No skipper and I repeat it, no skipper would ever allow the pre-arranged hand-gestures or a 12th man running in with a bottle of water every time he decides to bring the filed restriction back in place. Plus these days, each and every move in and outside the field is being captured by cameras and I am sure Inzi would never want the whole world to see Bob waving his hand every 10 overs during an innings. Plus one can not plan pre-match situations either and therefore the skipper has to take the stand and make the decisions. A coach can definitely help the skipper in some important matches such as final but definitely not in every match.
Just imagine, if you are leading a national team with great pride and your humble servant phoenxdesi is acting as a coach, would you allow him to tell you twice in every match what to do. I am sure never.
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It only has to happen twice in an innings. Its really not that big a deal. Changing bowlers is more frequent, and Inzi is begining to do a fair job there as well. I am sure between Bubloo and Inzi, plus assorted senior players, like Yonus, Afridi etc, Pakistan can manage to strategically use the two 5-over blocks intelligently.
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Khudha App kee zaban mubarak karay. Lets hope for the best, Inshallah…
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some interesting points raised by the author…
Cricket does not need substitutes Arun Sivasankaran
July 3, 2005
The search for the second Kapil Dev can now be put to an end, in one day internationals at least. Where is the need?
Thanks to the ICC wanting to try on soccer boots, India can now forget about unearthing players who can contribute both with the bat and the ball. When you don’t need a finished product anymore, when there is an opportunity to put half and half to make one, why not grab it?
From now on, Team Indian can put that magician with the bat who can’t field to save his life, VVS Laxman, on the field, extract a few good runs from him, say ‘thank you’ for a job well done, and then bring in a better fielder, or even a frontline bowler, for the rest of the match. Laxman will get full pay for less than a half day at the office. So will his substitute.
That is not cricket, is it?
It is not that the ICC has got it all wrong. Increasing the number of overs when field restrictions would be in place from 15 to 20 may not be too appealing, specially if you are someone whose runs in an bowl to earn a living, but allowing the fielding captain to decide when to use half of those overs, in two blocks of five each, is a masterstroke. Teams won’t be able to run on autopilot in the middle overs anymore. Giving on-field umpires the freedom to consult the TV umpire on any decision, though an open acknowledgement that technology is king is another step taken in the right direction. Far too often, batsmen have got away with murder when it comes to close LBW decisions.
It is obvious that the panel chaired by Sunil Gavaskar, which proposed the changes in the ODI format, has its heart in the right place, but what was the need to try and clear the ropes when a hit along the ground would have done? Coloured clothing, day and night games and floodlights, all of which came in along the way, jelled perfectly with the nature of the game, but substitutes? That is tinkering with the dynamics of the game, dumping down in the name of innovation.
Imagine this scenario: Pakistan, chasing down a big total by India, is tottering at the brink, even though Inzamam is still in and going about his job without any fuss. Wickets have fallen in a heap at the other end and with just number eleven to come in, India can sight the finishing line. In place of Shabbir, the last man, comes in Yasir Hameed, the substitute. Captain and substitute then take Pakistan home. Bizarre? The ICC certainly does not think so.
Teams will go into a match knowing fully well that it does not matter if they have erred in picking the final eleven. Reading the pitch right or winning the toss will not be as important as it was anymore. If you go in with three pacers and the pitch starts taking turn, kick the third quick and get a spinner in - it is as easy as that. One should be grateful that the ICC did not look at hockey, with its rolling substitutions, for inspiration.
The speed at which the game is played demands substitutes in soccer; cricket can easily do without it. Manufacturing excitement, as the ICC is so obviously trying to do, will only drain drama and strip the game of the romance that makes it much more than just a battle between bat and ball.
In a way, it is a surprise that Gavaskar and friends stopped at this. The panel was looking at some other very interesting ideas as well, including a double-play situation, where you can have two dismissals in one ball. “If a batsman’s been given out leg before wicket and the ball ricochets off to gully and the fielder picks it up and throws the stumps down at the non-striker’s end with the batsman out of the crease, you have two batsmen walking to the pavilion in one ball. Same if the ball’s gone up in the air and is caught,” Gavaskar had said some time back. The ICC, thankfully, has not been that reckless.
That the changes in the ODI format have come in the year when the ICC is shifting base from Lord’s, the home or cricket, to Dubai cannot be a mere coincidence. The message is clear - tradition is a nice word, a good thing to have, as long as it does not come in the way.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/htcricket/74_000100040021,1419344.htm