One question. Who are you to judge whether he is a muslim or not? From what I know, Islam is not a commit one sin and you are going to hell type religion. There is a balance. A man may not pray but may be better than that. He could be one who brings peace and prosperity. Are you saying that this man is not a muslim just because he doesn't pray?
It is a pleasure to stand upon the shore, and to see ships tost upon the sea: a pleasure to stand in the window of a castle, and to see a battle and the adventures thereof below: but no pleasure is comparable to standing upon the vantage ground of truth . . . and to see the errors, and wanderings, and mists, and tempests, in the vale below.
since the thread is now no longer upon the picture itself and about questions/concerns brought up members regarding religions, therefore its now being moved to its actual place, religion forum that is, so the discussion can be done among experts.
Book 001, Number 0146:
It is narrated on the authority of Jabir that he heard the Apostle (may peace and blessings be upon him) saying. Verily between man and between polytheism and unbelief is the negligence of prayer.
Book 001, Number 0147:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Zubair that he heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah saying. I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) observing this: Between man and polytheism and unbelief is the abandonment of salat.
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"I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)"
(11:55-56)
"...Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds" (6:162)
[This message has been edited by Sadiaa (edited June 09, 2002).]
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Originally posted by CM:
**A man may not pray but may be better than that. He could be one who brings peace and prosperity. Are you saying that this man is not a muslim just because he doesn't pray?
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Yes! I do mean to say that! any doubts? Except that i don't say he's not a muslim but such a person is a real idiot who thinks that any other good deed is better than offering prayers. Who are you to say that bringing peace and prosperity is better than offering prayers when Allah Himself rejects this. Whose statement has more weightage, yours or Allah's?
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Originally posted by appkiamaanat:
** Offcourse it's another pakistani made-up word right?? I'm glad i don't hang out with ignorant people. ALHUMDULLILAH!!
May Allah (swt) guide us all. Ameen!!
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'Namazi' is not a 'pakistani made-up' word. Its a routine conversion of the word 'namaz'. Its simply an adjective, signifying a person who prays. Its not meant to denote the stature of a person in anyway.
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Originally posted by Akif:
** 'Namazi' is not a 'pakistani made-up' word. Its a routine conversion of the word 'namaz'. Its simply an adjective, signifying a person who prays. Its not meant to denote the stature of a person in anyway. **
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Akif,
Dont bother. Its called the 'Saudi-influenced-belief-of-Pakistani's-introduding-bidats' syndrome.
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Originally posted by ammar:
** Akif,
Dont bother. Its called the 'Saudi-influenced-belief-of-Pakistani's-introduding-bidats' syndrome.**
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Very true ammar, absolutely true... I tried to write something like that but couldn't perfect it. Namaaz is of course a very basic pillar of our faith, and I completely regret that I do not take out the time to perform it. ut as far as declaring people who do not perform salaat [n]non-Muslims** is concerned, I agree with you that it is a Saudi rhetoric, that was also part of the Taliban doctrine.
Aapkiamanat, you have a totally desi nick and then you declare Pakistanis ignorant... may I ask which culture do you belong to.
And if you only pray because you are afraid of being declared a kafir and being hated either in this life or the next, you seriously need to get a life... because namaaz is an expession of love for God, not just a physical duty you perform to keep urself away from the fires of hell!
You can only paint with the colors you're given...
...so get what you like and like what you have.
pakistan99,
I think all of us are getting caught-up in a culture fight here. I think Akif explained it well that namazi is just an adjective to the word namaz, and not a separate distribution of people.
Also, p99, lets not judge what the others' prayers are for. I'm sure the comment about Pakistani's being ignorant was a slip, surely all nations have their share of ignorant shmuks.
Regarding declaring someone as being kafir for not praying, I think only a shariah-based government can decide that, and only if it makes its decisions with regards to how it will help/protect the Muslim nation. As an individual, if I call someone kafir, they'd have an equal right to call me one, and i wouldn't want to get caught up in that game.
Maybe all of us can concentrate on our own Islam rather than declaring what kufr is, or how some people are naam ke musalman?