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actually in both cases…i think of only a four-letter named female …true multi-facted there…a true eastern woman…kahai kuch karai kuch…no western raised woman can know what subtlety is…u r ruining no ones moments here but yr own…sorry… :k:
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4-letter named woman? hain?
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HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA… Irem, meray paas aa jao, HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA…
You know… ammi totally tang hein mere larnay ki adat se.
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dont worry this “phoolon wali” PCG. You know, she needs a hair cut which has disabled her capacity to think staright 
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Well i agree with u to an extent…but i think atleast women should not fall prey to this trap of stereotyping themselves…for instance statements like a career woman being strong and independent and i have even heard people say headstrong…
while a housewife is looked down upon and people are sorry for her and others defend a housewife saying what she does is amazing…bringing up the home etc.
Why does a woman have to prove herself at anything???
I felt that in the original post by Irem there were 2 type of women being projected…hence i tried to form a kind of middle ground, which portrays a woman in the true sense. I feel all women are strong…even those who might feel they r weak will prove otherwise when faced by a challenge.
I feel women are full of surprises and capable of doing wonders…and they r not just limited to one role. They are strong and capable of doing whatever they set their minds to…sky is the limit! Be it at home or be it at work!
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It would have been funny if so many people didn't actually believe in the classifications.
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Angel 4 Ever, I agree with you completely. That was my point - sorry if it came across as if I was saying the opposite trend is necessarily true.
U are right - it depends on the woman.
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Oh for God’s sake, PCG. Can you tale off Feminist colored glassess and see if the writer is just trting to promote Islam along with the career for women. I read it as a post where the writer is trying to highlight what both lifestyles can bring you. Nowhere, does it say or imply that women should be “subjugated”.
See, this is the problem with today’s supposedly “outspoken” women…they are so defensive and want to scream about every little thing without realizing what is being said.
P.S. Last comments are not for you PCG, but are aimed at feminist in general.
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Kaleem, I don't think you have met many actual feminists.
I marched in a lot of parades and went to a lot of rally's. My mother was one of the founders of some organizations that councel women that have been raped or abused. The short-lived ERA, rape legislation, and domestic abuse laws were some of the things I fought for. Most of the feminists that create change don't yell about anything, nor are they unfair. Most would even agree that society today as a whole bashes men unfairly (right down to advertisments in newspapers, magazines, and TV and their portrayals of men as inept).
The younger generation hasn't found the balance yet :)
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men ARE inept. Look at Bush.
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minah, that is what I was talking about...that these new generation (see PCG) has no clue, but they have an opinion about everything.
PCG, What does it say about the women? They could not even win the primary...they must really be stupid ...all of them , you included:)
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Hahahahahahahah Minah and PCG. The early feminists were racist as hell. Nellie McClung was a eugenics and Sexual Sterilization Act champion and promoter. Haha. I dunno how many thousands were sterilized, including their fellow species, WOMEN!
And even now, colored women are sorely misrepresented. Feminists are idiots.
In the immortal words of Tool, "[They] had a lot to say, [they] had a lot of nothing to say. Come down, get off your f**** cross, we need the f**** space, to nail the nexty fool"
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Minah your mom must have been a liberal feminist. Haha they feel sympathy for men who are slammed in ads etc? Yeah right. the radicals want their own little world without men. Feminists don't shout and scream? :)
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Sarah, would you please translate what you are saying into something coherent? And please, give some examples. As someone who actually lived it and went through it, I am sometimes interested in other's oipinions.
Not sure where you are located, but one of the reason's you can vote is because of people in my Grandmother's generation. There are 8 woman and children shelter's in the New England area that my mother is directly responsible for. There is a rape crisis hotline with advocates that my mother also started in a state in New England. Laws that protect women from domestic abuse and rape are some things that others and myself lobbied on and worked hard for. Equal pay for equal jobs and equal opportunity for all are a couple of other things you can thank a feminist for. And guess what else? We did this all alongside men.
Of course there are radicals and women who spout off, because they are controversial, they get airtime. Happens. I am sure you cringe at some of the radicals Muslims that get airtime yourself.
Personally, I don't work for any color :) just for women.
Kaleem - c'mon, she's baiting you, something she's good at :)
PCG - Still love ya :D
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:D
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Minah, to be a liberal feminist is no great feat. It might have been some centuries ago (Mary Wollstonecraft comes to mind) and in the early 1990's when they were pushing for women to get the vote. Feminism was probably at its most diverse around the 60s-70s but after that all that remains and gets airtime are liberal feminists. No doubt they have done some great stuff for women. I can vote because of them. But in some of their political policies, they are no better than Hitler probably, another eugenisist. Anyway, I am sure you aren't dumb and can find out more but they were racist, they did forcibly sterilize thousands of men and women but of course we never hear about that, I mean who cares about the colored women and the mentally insane right. I mean, what did your precious feminists do for Japanese women who were interned? Probably egged the government on, except for a very small minority who actually fought for the repressed.
As for feminism today, please, it does not represent all women. It mostly deals with young to middle aged middle class white women who do not have the cultural restraints and can go out and search such organizations. Many cultures frown down on women seeking help and for such women there is no recourse. Groups like very elderly women and very young women and large chunks of colored women are left out in the cold because liberal feminists mostly deal with equal pay, the glass cieling, lobbying for government representation and so on, things that only apply to working white women who have gone that far and have jobs. What about the black woman who doesnt have the skills for a job, what about the Pakistani woman at the mercy of her husband in a foreign land. I mean what do you for such a woman who has no friends, can stay in a woman's shelter for three days but where does she go afterward. how much skill building do you guys do. how many young girls have good female models so they turn out normal and not wannabe anorexics/ what about extremely old women, who are depressed have no companionship, are ill treated by nursing staff, what about their legal costs when they went for a little drive and hit someone. what about feminists reaching out to such women and giving them companionship, meals. what about female criminals, how is crime in that population dealt with, what efforts are there to reduce it, what efforts are there to deal with shoplifting, what efforts are there for goths, for punks in highschool. what about nurses who are frustraed by jobs. what about sex workers and prostitutes, what about rehabilitaing and reaching out to female drug addicts, what about women in third world countries, what about muslim women who have unique backgrounds and require a more sensitive approach. .
I know this because I am a former feminist, have taken classes in the area, have been involved with anti-racist and colored women organizations and have known some feminists. And I can assure you there is little representation for ALL women.
Anyway, just pointing out that early feminists were only champions of SELECTIVE emancipation. now please go take care of that 7 year old girl who is a sex trade worker in Bangladesh. i am sure you can fund a drive for a plane ticket there to help them.
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Sarah, um, showing my age here but 60-70-80's was my fight. As far as the rest of the world, my fight is where my family lives. There is no high horse here, hon. Boundaries of culture and color, that is your hang-up not mine. And really, this was a bit of a lame attempt at placing guilt. I also never claimed that this was a great feat, thanks for telling me though. I'll really try to remember this.
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So, what fight do you wish me to take up, I have two hands and one life. Of course I will be selective about my issues. I picked my issues and I work with them and made a lot of progress with them. My issues center around abused women and children.
Everyone has something that is dear to them, that is mine.
Why should I worry about the, um..... "8 year old female sex workers in the third world"? I am not being obtuse but that has nothing to do with me or with what I do. Now if that eight yr old is in my reach, fine, she got a place and care. Superwoman I ain't and never claimed to be. I also refuse to shoulder the guilt for not worrying all night about a child I can't help in a country I'm not in, not when I can save more in my own backyard.
Perhaps if there is a need in another country, maybe you should do that if that is what is close to your heart.
Don't understand really what your point is, but whatever, you're entitled to it.
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Minah, point proven. White middle class working feminists will only help those in the same boat. Those truly marginalized get no help :) In the grand scheme of things, feminists have done nothing. Who wants to vote and earn equal pay when you can't even write a single word, can't get beyond a job as a janitor at the airport and your fellow women aren't doing diddlysquat to help you. Laudable and noble indeed!
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Sarah, thank you, you also proved a point I made also.
Enjoy your night :)