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very well said and agreed :k:
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Pretty balanced squad I would say. While I was surprised to hear about Razzaq's ommision (discussed in a seperate thread) I actually dont think Yousaf's exclusion should come as a big shock. He is lucky this is happening in 20-20's and not during a test or ODI series as that would have bad for both him as well as Pakistan cricket team. But the message sent by the selectors is pretty clear, shape up or face the axe. As Osman Samiuddin rightly pointed out **At his best, Twenty20 cricket is to Razzaq what water is to fish. **But his bowling has been pedistrian at best of late and we havent seen a whole lot of fireworks as well for some time now.
Osman Samiuddin was wrong in giving the example of Ponting when discussing Yousaf's exclusion though. Never mind the fact that after his record breaking year in tests Yousaf still couldnt pass him in ICC rankings. IMO not only is Ponting a better batsman than not just Yousaf but almost everyone in world cricket he is much more destructive than Yousaf and he is also a lot more than just a great batsman. He is the captain of the side and one of the best fielders in world cricket while it wont be too far from the truth if one calls Yousaf one of the worst fielders in world cricket. Yousaf on the field is a liability, Ponting on the other hand is an asset. We try to hide him in the field, if it's a packed off side field and the bowler is bowling an off stump line we place him somewhere on the leg side. If we are going to be world beaters then we need people who put 110 % when they are on the field. B atting aline isnt enough if you're gonna be a bumb on the field. Same holds true for Razzaq, he has an added advantage, atleast on paper, of bowling but as a fielder we can do without him just as well as we can with him. Players need to change their attitudes and start looking to improve all aspects of their games. Otherwise the wish to overcome the Aussies will remain just that, a wish.
Just a simple question LM. Who would you prefer from following 2 batsmen
No1: Batsman who scores 60-65 runs at the rate of 75 runs per hundred ball and give away 10-15 runs (thats as bad as yousuf can do) in the field? btw on average Yousuf's "bad" fielding can not account for more than 6-7 extra runs only in 20 overs
No2: Batsman who scores 25-30 runs at the same rate and stops 10-15 runs (thats as good as Misbah can do) in the field ? btw on average Misbah can save 6-7 extra runs only in 20 overs
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20 overs could be an eternity for tape ball players. If wickets start falling from both ends, I will be impressed if they last all 20.
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We are going to play Independence Cup here in Minnesota on 17th and 18th. Its a tape ball tournament I think one of the team invited is PCB so maybe this selection is for that tournament. :)
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Just a simple question LM. Who would you prefer from following 2 batsmen
No1: Batsman who scores 60-65 runs at the rate of 75 runs per hundred ball and give away 10-15 runs (thats as bad as yousuf can do) in the field? btw on average Yousuf's "bad" fielding can not account for more than 6-7 extra runs only in 20 overs
No2: Batsman who scores 25-30 runs at the same rate and stops 10-15 runs (thats as good as Misbah can do) in the field ? btw on average Misbah can save 6-7 extra runs only in 20 overs
First of all it's not the matter of how many runs scored vs. how many runs saved. It's a matter of striving to get better in all departments of the game. Just because you are a great batsman does not mean you can keep on being a slacker in the field. Secondly the logic you present is not quite the whole defination. Let's say the runs saved vs. runs scored theory is valid, even in that case what if fielder A drops someone like Kevin Pieterson or Ricky Ponting or MS Dhoni and they go on to play a match winning innings which they are all capable of doing in which case the runs scored are usless if your dropped catch means the difference between victory and defeat.
But my main point was that seniors like Razzaq and Yousaf need to lift their fielding. Just becasue someone is a good player should not be an excuse for him to keep their fielding standard below par. Atleast try to improve it, no one is asking for a bunch of Johnty Rhodes running around but making an effort should be a must.
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First of all it's not the matter of how many runs scored vs. how many runs saved. It's a matter of striving to get better in all departments of the game. Just because you are a great batsman does not mean you can keep on being a slacker in the field. Secondly the logic you present is not quite the whole defination. Let's say the runs saved vs. runs scored theory is valid, even in that case what if fielder A drops someone like Kevin Pieterson or Ricky Ponting or MS Dhoni and they go on to play a match winning innings which they are all capable of doing in which case the runs scored are usless if your dropped catch means the difference between victory and defeat.
But my main point was that seniors like Razzaq and Yousaf need to lift their fielding. Just becasue someone is a good player should not be an excuse for him to keep their fielding standard below par. Atleast try to improve it, no one is asking for a bunch of Johnty Rhodes running around but making an effort should be a must.
First of all I have never seen Yousuf dropping the catch. He sure is slow in fielding though.
and if we go by your logic, just because someone is a good fielder should not be an excuse for him to keep their bating standards below par,
anyway, lets agree on disagree :)
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This should be written in the golden book of cricket jokes. Literally!
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Can someone please provide the statguru for ODI played by Razzler in 2006.
I think he has been off color for a long time.
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All the reasons given by Selectors about dropping YoYo and Razzler is balony. Main reason is that YoYo and Razzler have not signed central contract and are in serious negotiation with ICL. ICL is offering them top Dollars.
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PCB made a dumb selection, plain and simple. They could have atleast kept Razzaq and Yousuf in the squad. If Yousuf is fit enough to play year long and break a world record, he can play on the field for 20 overs and field. Getting a 32 year-old Misbah has no vision and forward thinking. If they wanted youngsters than get the youngsters.
How are we supposed to beat teams like Australia, New Zeland, South Africa and Sri lanka with this squad? It is a gamble and we actually had an edge against India with Yousuf, Razzaq and Sami, now even that is gone.
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I will agree with most (including half of the writings by Osman Samiuddin) on the fact that adding Misbah after a long period of absence is quite opposite of forward thinking that PCB officials had cocked up, a thought process PCB developed after everything came crashing down at the World Cup. However, the selection of Fawad Alam is one thing that I am completely in sync with, and it is really pointless as to whom he replaces, just as long as he gets selected long enough to prove his mantle in the International scene. Thankfully, Razzaq is dropped and PCB have taken a very strong stance. It is not all about batting, power-hitting and rounding the ball into the stands. Fielding plays a vital part in every form of game and perhaps this is one line of thinking where I will agree with PCB concluding to drop players based on their fitness levels and also the performance. The one grave mistake was Yousuf who didn't make the cut. As for the selection of Misbah, had it been someone younger, someone fresh on the scene, someone who actually has a hunger to prove himself would have been more fitting.
I agree with Osman; logic, and everything that is in any way, shape or form related to logic has gone for a six.
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Razzaq's batting average since 2006 till now is 19 with the highest score being a whopping 38. His bowling average is 44.51.
After seeing these stats...im glad the selectors dropped him. Its about time he got his act together as we have all rounders ready to take his spot like Arafat and Fawad. For once...the selectors are picking a squad based on fitness and form and people don't like it.
Yousef is a great batsman...but he just doesnt suit 20/20. His batting is not hard hitting and his fielding is horrible to say the least. Misbah was picked because he has one of the highest averages in the domestic 20/20 games and even the practise matches he had an unbeaten 100 and an 50. He is not the best option but he is not a bad option either. I doubt he'll even play any game as Younis is there as a regular batsman.
Overall a good squad picked. Its great to see Sami FINALLY getting the boot...and Hameed as well.
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^ Dont you think yousuf can score at more pace than younus? 
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Noone's disputing the importance of fielding in limited overs cricket. But test cricket is won mainly by bowlers (because you need to take 20 wickets) and one-day cricket (incl. Twenty-20) by batters. If you put a decent total of say 180+ on the board you should win barring a really bad day in the field
Besides what good use is fielding if your batters can't consistently put 150+ on the board
a bad fielder can always be positioned at third man
and what happens when you lose 2-3 quick wickets and consolidation is needed?
Pak leaving out its best batsman for any form of cricket is a travesty
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SRILANKA
Sri Lanka have recalled allrounders Gayan Wijekoon and Hasantha Fernando in the 15-member squad for the Twenty20 World Championship in South Africa in September. Mahela Jayawardene will lead a full-strength squad that includes as many as six fast bowlers.
All those currently playing county cricket in England - Muttiah Muralitharan, Kumar Sangakkara, Lasith Malinga and Chaminda Vaas - have been included to boost the squad. It was earlier reported that Muralitharan might be rested, with the tour of Australia up ahead.
Squad
Mahela Jayawardene (capt)
Sanath Jayasuriya
Upul Tharanga
Kumar Sangakkara
Tillekeratne Dilshan
Chamara Silva
Chaminda Vaas
Farveez Maharoof
Muttiah Muralitharan
Lasith Malinga
Dilhara Fernando
Hasantha Fernando
Gayan Wijekoon
Kaushal Lokuarachchi
Jehan Mubarak
not a bad squad. Seems like the WC runners up are pretty serious about lifting the Twenty 20 Trophy.
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After seeing the scores of the practise matches…it doesnt look like it. Yousuf struggled to get a decent score throughout and left the camp because his mom was sick or maybe he got the point he’s not gonna get selected with this kind of batting and his horrible fielding skills.
Younis is a solid batsman…and could easily do the job of Yousuf…and his job like Yousuf’s would have been if he was selected…is to knock the ball around and let the hitters do their job.
Also, Younis is a much, much better fielder than Yousuf.
And, I believe it was never between Younis and Yousuf. Yousuf is a good test batsman, and a good ODI batsman…but for 20/20, you dont have to have a technically perfect player. I think, PCB tried to pick a 20/20 specialist squad like the ECB did. ECB picked James Kirtley, Luke Wright, both players who would probably never play an ODI or test match for England, yet they were selected.
Fawad Alam, Hafeez, and Misbah are all players who have done well in the 20/20 format…hence, PCB has picked them.
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I cannot recall Younis scoring briskly at the depth apart from occassional tukka six. But I do remember Yousuf scoring quite quickly and murderously at the depth. He is suited for hitting and not younis.
Misbah's inclusing is a big risk but squad is really good apart from shocking exclusion of Razzaq and Yousuf. Specially bowling attack. Finally we will get to see Shoaib asif and gul in one team. Lets see how long it lasts before one of them gets injured or banned.
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20/20 cricket OR Tulla cricket? This is not cricket and Moyo is a true batting genius when it comes to test cricket. Frankly speaking, Moyo is better off staying away from this circus where the only talent will be the ability to hit hard and frequent, just like baseball.
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All 12 squads confirmed ahead of inaugural ICC World Twenty20
The best cricketers in the world are gearing up for the inaugural ICC World Twenty20 with all 12 squads now having been confirmed.
The South African cities of Johannesburg, Durban and Cape Town will be the venues for this intensive two-week event and a host of top players from all over the globe are chomping at the bit to get stuck in.
The likes of Adam Gilchrist, Mahendra Singh Dhoni, Jacob Oram, Shahid Afridi, Muttiah Muralidaran, AB de Villiers, Chris Gayle, Tamim Iqbal, Kevin Pietersen and Tatenda Taibu will all be there from each of the ten Full Members while players of the calibre of Steve Tikolo and Ryan Watson will be among those representing the world of Associate cricket.
As well as the top ten teams, which qualified automatically, Kenya and Scotland got to this stage having made it to the final of the ICC World Cricket League Division 1, held in Nairobi in February.
The ICC World Twenty20 will take place from 11 to 24 September and will involve 12 teams, 27 matches, three venues and countless thrills.
The full squad lists for all 12 participating teams are:
Australia: Ricky Ponting (captain), Nathan Bracken, Stuart Clark, Michael Clarke, Adam Gilchrist, Brad Haddin, Matthew Hayden, Brad Hodge, Bradley Hogg, Michael Hussey, Mitchell Johnson, Brett Lee, Andrew Symonds, Shaun Tait, Shane Watson.
Bangladesh: Mohammad Ashraful (captain), Aftab Ahmed, Nadif Chowdhury, Shakib Hasan, Tamim Iqbal, Alok Kopali, Mashrafe Mortaza, Mushfiqur Rahim, Ziaur Rahman, Syed Rasel, Abdur Razzak, Farhad Reza, Zunaed Siddique, Nazim Uddin, Mahmud Ullah.
England: Paul Collingwood (captain), Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Andrew Flintoff, James Kirtley, Darren Maddy, Kevin Pietersen, Matt Prior, Chris Schofield, Owais Shah, Ryan Sidebottom, Jeremy Snape, Vikram Solanki, Chris Tremlett, Luke Wright.
India: Mahendra Singh Dhoni (captain), Ajit Agarkar, Piyush Chawla, Gautam Gambhir, Dinesh Karthik, Irfan Pathan, Yusuf Pathan, Virender Sehwag, Joginder Sharma, Harbhajan Singh, Rohit Sharma, RP Singh, Yuvraj Singh, Shanthakumaran Sreesanth, Robin Uthappa.
Kenya: Steve Tikolo (captain), Rajesh Bhudiya, Jimmy Kamande, Tanmay Mishra, Lameck Ngoche, Nehemiah Ngoche, Alex Obanda, Collins Obuya, David Obuya, Thomas Odoyo, Peter Ongondo, Elijah Otieno, Morris Ouma, Ondik Suji, Hiren Varaiya.
New Zealand: Daniel Vettori (captain), Shane Bond, Peter Fulton, Mark Gillespie, Gareth Hopkins, Chris Martin, Craig McMillan, Brendon McCullum, Nathan McCullum, Jacob Oram, Jeetan Patel, Bradley Scott, Scott Styris, Ross Taylor, Lou Vincent.
Pakistan: Shoaib Malik (captain), Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Akhtar, Kamran Akmal, Fawad Alam, Yasir Arafat, Mohammad Asif, Salman Butt, Umar Gul, Mohammad Hafeez, Misbah-ul-Haq, Rao Iftikhar, Younis Khan, Imran Nazir, Abdul Rehman.
Scotland: Ryan Watson (captain), Fraser Watts, Dougie Brown, John Blain, Gavin Hamilton, Navdeep Poonia, Gregor Maiden, Neil McCallum, Qasim Sheikh, Colin Smith, Craig Wright, Dewald Nel, Gordon Drummond, Ross Lyons, Majid Haq.
South Africa: Graeme Smith (captain), Gulam Bodi, Loots Bosman, Mark Boucher, AB de Villiers, JP Duminy, Herschelle Gibbs, Justin Kemp, Albie Morkel, Morne Morkel, Makhaya Ntini, Vernon Philander, Shaun Pollock, Thandi Tshabalala, Johan van der Wath.
Sri Lanka: Mahela Jayawardena (captain), Dilhara Fernando, Hasantha Fernando, Kaushal Lokuarachchi, Sanath Jayasuriya, Farveez Maharoof, Lasith Malinga, Jehan Mubarak, Muttiah Muralidaran, Kumara Sangakkara, Chamara Silva, Upul Tharanga, Dilshan Tilakarathne, Chaminda Vaas, Gayan Wijekoon.
West Indies: Ramnaresh Sarwan (captain), Dwayne Bravo, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Pedro Collins, Narsingh Deonarine, Fidel Edwards, Chris Gayle, Runako Morton, Daren Powell, Denesh Ramdin, Ravi Rampaul, Darren Sammy, Marlon Samuels, Devon Smith, Dwayne Smith.
Zimbabwe: Prosper Utseya (captain), Gary Brent, Chamunorwa Chibhabha, Elton Chigumbura, Keith Dabengwa, Tymsen Maruma, Hamilton Masakadza, Stuart Matsikinyeri, Johnson Marumisa, Christopher Mpofu, Tawanda Mupariwa, Vusimusi Sibanda, Tatenda Taibu, Brendon Taylor, Shaun Williams.
SOURCE: http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc-media/content/story/306944.html
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isse kehte hain peeth mein khanjar ghonpna!
Shoaib Malik mentioned the names of Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Yousuf among his closest friends during various interviews with Mani, Nadia Khan and Fakhar-e-Alam!!
kya khoob dosti nibhai hai…bhyy wah!!
http://www.dawn.com/2007/08/23/spt2.htm](http://www.dawn.com/2007/08/23/spt2.htm)
Malik opposed selection of Yousuf, Razzaq
KARACHI, Aug 22: Pakistan skipper Shoaib Malik was equally responsible for the exclusion of senior batsman Mohammad Yousuf and all-rounder Abdul Razzaq from the national squad for next month’s inaugural World Twenty20 Championship, according to an insider on Wednesday.
Shoaib voiced his opposition – against the inclusion of Yousuf and Razzaq – when the national selection committee, headed by Salahuddin Ahmed, asked the Pakistan captain to give his input on the team selection.
The insider, a former Lahore-based Test cricketer who requested anonymity, claimed that Shoaib didn’t feel comfortable with the idea of having a senior player like Yousuf in the squad considering his lack of athleticism in the field coupled with a weak throwing arm.
Shoaib, the insider further said, had told the selectors that Razzaq was not worth a place for the Twenty20 format since his medium-pace bowling had lost the nip to unsettle batsmen.
“The ball barely reaches the wicket-keeper at a decent pace when Razzaq bowls these days,” the captain had reportedly told the selectors, according to the insider.
Salahuddin and his fellow selectors – Saleem Jaffer and Shafqat Rana – had been facing a barrage of criticism ever since they announced the 15-man Twenty20 squad earlier this month.
Razzaq, who hastily decided to retire from international cricket on Monday, and left-handed opener Imran Farhat, had held the selectors responsible for their omission. Both of them also blamed the Pakistan