Yeah man! The end of the world is near ... there is a thread in C&A that doesn't belong here. Not to mention who---me sleeping is more odd than anything else.
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You didn't know because it's relatively unimportant.
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Oh don't play with my conscience. All my sympathies lie with my poor African counterparts.
I was referring to the grossly unbalanced news coverage of the day.
Thap Bhaijaan, Astronauts are not trained in a day and they are not just someone who considers hanging out in zero gravity a fun pass time. Most of them are scientists and have significant knowledge of their field of study & their experience of space enough makes them worth while. In other words they were not the average Joe who got ran over by a mad camel!
So, Ahmadjee,
it's all good if an avergae joe gets run over by a camel. But all hell ought to break lose when astronauts die?
I'm sorry, not trying to be difficult but your statement is very callous. BTW, it's interesting that you should use this analogy (for many reasons).
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it's all good if an avergae joe gets run over by a camel. But all hell ought to break lose when astronauts die?
I'm sorry, not trying to be difficult but your statement is very callous. BTW, it's interesting that you should use this analogy (for many reasons).
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Too bad, because that's how the world works. Astronauts in space will get more attention then your dhobi in Pakistan who got run over by his donkey. I'm sorry, but that's life.
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Too bad, because that's how the world works. Astronauts in space will get more attention then your dhobi in Pakistan who got run over by his donkey. I'm sorry, but that's life.
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well then suffice it to say that this is the very reason why there are problems in the world.
but hey as you said, "that's life".
Aray miaN, every life is precious and worth while in its own way, but "News" is what majority of the people would like to read/listen/watch & is extra ordinary.
You don't see a space flight blowing up every other day but millions of people die everyday.
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Ilan Ramon, a colonel in Israel's air force and former fighter pilot
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kuch wakayaat Allah kee taraf se alaamaat hotay haen....
C'mon Thap don't you know an amreekan life is way tooooooo important then an average tom dick and harry...... So what if 30 ppl died no big deal they were not human anyway so why this whining.
Train death in Zimbabwe. Inna lillahi wa inna ilahi rajioon. Today really sucks doesn't it?
People die everyday, true, and their lives are all equally worth something, that is true as well. But the people who died abroad that space shuttle were scientists, as well as pioneers. When they died, their knowledge died with them... knowledge that is not readily accessible, and not available to even a minority on this planet, let along a majority. What makes this event sadder for me is not the race or religion of these people, but the fact a truly great wealth of knowledge has been denied to our future. It might as well have been a space program run by Africans or Japs or Eskimos... but the heroic efforts of those seven people ... not for themselves or for their families, but a selfless regard for whole mankind... all that died with them today. Could u go up in a space shuttle for days on end? Would u? Not everyone would agree to take those risks.. leave your family and a secure life.. and know that death lurks around the corner at every turn. The people on the train died, but did not anticipate a looming death. They were travelling for themselves, or for a fraction of society. They were looking forward to arriving, with full expectation that they would arrive with nothing amiss. They were cheated, yes. But can u imagine being cheated for just one second, versus giving up your life by your own self and anticipating not breathing the next minute because of your own choice? Those astronauts played with death the minute they agreed to wear those space suits... they sacrified *their lives for knowledge, for humanity. They had a certain set of selfless beliefs that told them that what they were up there for was important, could be potentially important for millions of people. Do you know what the universe holds for us? Until someone takes those risks on our behalf, how can we know? A sacrifice is greater than a mistake. The Zimbabweans who stepped onto that that train, made a bonafide *mistake of travelling today. They will be mourned like all humans.. death is inevitable sometime or the other. But the only difference between them and the astronauts was that they weren't staring death in the face since day one.
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C'mon Thap don't you know an amreekan life is way tooooooo important then an average tom dick and harry...... So what if 30 ppl died no big deal they were not human anyway so why this whining.
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You guys fail to realize the significance of this crash... Its not just 7 people, its the entire space programme that comes under strict scrutiny when such an event happens. Remember what happened after challenger burst into flames as soon as it took off? You would probably have said big deal, just 7 people died, but there was more to it. The Soviet had successfully put MIR into orbit at that time, and the Americans were pondering over whether they should continue their space programme after how challenger blew up, especially when some hydraulics experts predicted the faulty O-ring system. Remember how much coverage was given to the Concord crash? Do other planes crashing get so much coverage? They grounded all the concords after that, because it was significant, as we dont get to see that many concords and space shuttles crash...
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C'mon Thap don't you know an amreekan life is way tooooooo important then an average tom dick and harry...... So what if 30 ppl died no big deal they were not human anyway so why this whining.
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Big deal? When people die due to police torture, criminal violence, terrorism in Pakistan, how long do people mourn? People forget in one day. It's not that American life is so precious, but that we don't value the lives of Pakistanis.
I've been followin' this news since it began. First, they thought it was an act of Terrorism, which afterwards rejected by the NASA officials.
Space shuttle was old and that could be the reason it didn't make it. Last time, it returned safely in April, 1981. So, there's a big gap. NASA officials have pointed out that problem could have began when the shuttle launched from the earth, the left side of the shuttle's wing had problem.
My condolence to the families who have lost their love ones. May Allah(SWT) rest their soul in peace. Ameen.
Yeah guys I suppose you're right, don't know what came over me.
I can see why the caste systems is still going strong reading some of the above comments.
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Yeah guys I suppose you're right, don't know what came over me.
I can see why the caste systems is still going strong reading some of the above comments.
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If you are referring to my comments, can you prove how my comments about space technology and its significance relate to your caste system?
apache indian did a good job on caste system
If at the cusp of exploring a new frontier mankind expects a bed of roses then God help us.
No spock not directed at your comments, you make a good point of this not happening everyday; it was directed at the astronaut worshippers.
The space programme remains an international effort with Russian rockets on American vessels delivering European satellites into space; it's lucrative and a booming trade.
Manned space flight however has been an American preserve (although the Chinese plan to enter the manned space exploration phase soon) so lets have some 'how we won the west' spirit and expect such catastrophes.
No matter how many times each item on the shuttle is checked and audited accidents will happen.
My main gripe is the over-reaction on the lives lost, people dying is always unfortunate especially when they are in the prime of their lives, but at the end of the day it's all about dollars.
The much talked about manned Mars expedition has been banded about since I before I was born I don’t think this event will set it back any further than losing 2 orbiters around the planet some years ago.
The Iraqis are calling it God's vengeance....The Israeli was part of the air expeditions to Iraq in order to destroy the Iraqi Nuclear programme in the 1980s...
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You guys fail to realize the significance of this crash... Its not just 7 people, its the entire space programme ...
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Big deal, Soviet/Russia had many crashes and many more dead so did ESA.