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this is true. religion fills the voids and unknowns of our experience. but as our knowledge of our world grows, religion must be flexible enough for re-interpretation, or be compartmentalized to non-practical spheres of our lives. otherwise, it becomes a ball and chain on one's ankle.
Agree. I myself is not in favor of practices to use science to prove authenticity of religions. They are both important things in human lives and should be treated separately.
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Atman is ones inner self. The deeper you look within yourself, you can feel oneness with the univeerse. I am you. You are me. This life is Maya. Getting in touch with Atman is akin to waking up from the dream - the Maya life we are living. Makes sense to me, I think.
So if I hate you, I hate me. Kumbaya anyone?
Mujh main tu mojud. Haq hoo :)
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southie uncle got banned after that post. :O may his gs soul rest in peace. :\
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Inna Lillahe wa inna ilehe Rajiyoon
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hmm, interesting discussion.
any scientist here ? I have a question. When you say I want to do this thing, or you feel like doing this thing .. its your brain which is telling you to do that .. but is there some motive behind that ? I mean, how would you define your concious and unconscious ?
To people who believe in souls etc ... If read Quran and hadeeth, you will read that you will be punished for doing bad deeds. But all of those punishment are very physically ... putting mercury in your ear, buring your body etc ... why there isn't anything for soul even though whatever you are doing is basically done by your sould and your body is just a cover on it ... isn't it ?
third question (to all). we have things for to please our body, we eat, we workout, we jog, we watch different stuff to sooth our eyes. All such things directly/indirectly help to improve our body. Why there is no exercise/pleasure etc for soul ? (it will have a follow up question when someone answers to it)
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hmm, interesting discussion.
any scientist here ? I have a question. When you say I want to do this thing, or you feel like doing this thing .. its your brain which is telling you to do that .. but is there some motive behind that ? I mean, how would you define your concious and unconscious ?
You mean *subconscious*
To people who believe in souls etc ... If read Quran and hadeeth, you will read that you will be punished for doing bad deeds. But all of those punishment are very physically ... putting mercury in your ear, buring your body etc ... why there isn't anything for soul even though whatever you are doing is basically done by your sould and your body is just a cover on it ... isn't it ?
*it is like when you are driving a car and get hit by another, the car is totaled, but you walk away without a scratch.........is that what you mean? :) answering your question with a question! * third question (to all). we have things for to please our body, we eat, we workout, we jog, we watch different stuff to sooth our eyes. All such things directly/indirectly help to improve our body. Why there is no exercise/pleasure etc for soul ? (it will have a follow up question when someone answers to it)
scholars tell us remembrance of Allah (Zikr) is what strengthens ones soul, contingent totally on whether one has Faith in Allah!
simply muttering aint going to do it!
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Peace ...
Axiom: The soul is not empirically measurable, but it exists.
evidence: Deduction
As mentioned by ajazali ... The difference between life and death ... Some people think the soul is energy ... This is not true scientifically.
However, should we conduct a thought experiment we might edge closer to the definition ... And hence the understanding of the soul ...
Consider a cadaver ... And consider a living person in a coma ... How do they differ in every measurable way? A living person is breathing, the breathing causes air to flow to the capillaries the heart pumps, the blood picks up oxygenated air delivers it to the organs around the body to every cell ... There are bio electric impulses sent along the central nervous system, these two processes ... i.e. breathing and brain activity ensure that the person talks, eats, goes to the toilet and can have children, and so on ...
So think if the cadaver was configured in such a way that its nervous system was stimulated by electricity and its heart wired to a pace maker and its lungs were externally controlled to ensure oxygen flow that such a thing would enable it to do other things that living people do? If a dialysis machine was put on it ... would it be able to live? Or come alive?
If the Frankenstein effect does not happen then despite making the two ;living person in a coma and the cadaver identical as far as can be measured then we must conclude deductively that there must be something that while not being measured is differentiating between a cadaver and a living person in a coma ...
That something enables the breathing and the synaptic processes from continuing without external intervention automatically ... So we know what the soul does ... But not what it is ... The soul keeps the body ticking away automatically ... However, what it is cannot be said of scientifically. Because it has not been measured, but the effects of it have ...
if you get an old record player and put batteries in it ... It will play you a tune, but if the batteries stop and you turn the record physically if you listen carefully it will play the same tune but quietly ... Not so the cadaver. We can't turn the crank and simulate life ... Nor does putting a full life support machine on a cadaver make it alive ...
the conclusion is that livings things are automated in a direction that is not energetically favourable ... For example ... If you tip a ball off the edge of a mountain ... The initial force will move it, then it will carry one going due to the friction dropping and the gravity pulling it downwards ... As if it automatically falls. Likewise when we give the engine of a car a bit of an ignition it will start up and with the fuel and pistons in the engine the process will continue working based on the principle of the system being energetically favourable ... However, no amount of energy put in to a dead body makes it energetically favourable to continue ... Unless that is when the soul is still present ... That is why sometimes giving a shock to a body can bring it back to the observable living condition. However, it does not work all the time.
is it not a miracle that we operate in a direction opposite to entropy? That is like putting a flame under water and making ice.
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Actually established science has nothing to say about soul. But, as my knowledge "theoretical" science and some lovers of scientist believe the creation of humans is chemically react. So I have one question about soul due to this opinions of the scientists, how can a scientist attempt to develop an object that will have soul? As my knowledge an object with soul means it has life, and having life means there must be a death state/condition for that object. So if a scientist is going to develop an object with soul, how would he deal with this death condition? I also have one more question in my mind, would they purposely or manually add this condition/state? I have lots of confusions in my mind so someone from of you has information about soul you must suggest me and build my knowledge about religions.