Some Innovations

Tarawi prayers in a jamaat is also an innovation, one described as a "good bidat" by al Khattab.

Washing yr feet during wudhu is also an innovation, as opposed to wiping, which is how it is stipulated in the holy qur'an.

Pronouncing "amin" after surah Fathiha while praying in a jamaat is also an innovation - not practised by the holy prophet (pbuh).

Praying by doing sajdah on carpets and other man-made material (as found in many mosques) is also an innovation, as opposed to earth and clay, the sajdah ghar of the holy apostle (pbuh).

ws

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*Pronouncing "amin" after surah Fathiha while praying in a jamaat is also an innovation - not practised by the holy prophet (pbuh).
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I do agree on the other facts but not so sure about this. Proofs please.


“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Praying by doing sajdah on carpets and other man-made material (as found in many mosques) is also an innovation, as opposed to earth and clay, the sajdah ghar of the holy apostle (pbuh).

ws

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here he shows up, welcome back mr a1shah, been long time... i hope everything is okay.

coming back to topic, when you travel, do you travel on camels? what dress do you wear?

when talking of 'bidaa', it'd be better to understand the impact of the 'act' on one's beleifs. i think nobody in world thinks that 'doing sajda on carpet' will be a good act and Allah might consider it as 'show of love for Prophet PBUH'......... etc etc.


We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

Salam Changez,

Allah (swt) ka shukar hain. Everything is well. Hope u are fine as well.

If you read the list of "innovations" that started this thread, you will find that most of them do not affect one's belief, as you have stated. Putting one's hand to the chest after greeting someone, kissing the quran, etc.

However, performing wudu wrongly is against the directives of the qur'an. Praying taraweh in jamaat when the holy prophet (pbuh) did not do so is changing religious practises.

Performing sajdah on something other than earth (mud, clay, etc) when the holy prophet (pbuh) instructed us that this is what should be used for sajdah may void prayers.

In this regard, if you evaluate the innovations I listed as compared to the previous listings, I think you will also conclude that the former has greater religious significance.

ws

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**Salam Changez,

Allah (swt) ka shukar hain. Everything is well. Hope u are fine as well.

** good to know.
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If you read the list of "innovations" that started this thread, you will find that most of them do not affect one's belief, as you have stated. Putting one's hand to the chest after greeting someone, kissing the quran, etc.
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I beleive kissing the hand, placing it on chest are more of a cultural thing, and should not be mixed with religion.

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However, performing wudu wrongly is against the directives of the qur'an. Praying taraweh in jamaat when the holy prophet (pbuh) did not do so is changing religious practises.
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I have different opinion on this. As we discussed in other thread, Allah SWT gave guidelines to Prophet PBUH using which he showed us how to do it, otherwise praying the way ALL MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD is WRONG and against Quran.

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Performing sajdah on something other than earth (mud, clay, etc) when the holy prophet (pbuh) instructed us that this is what should be used for sajdah may void prayers.
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I remember a hadith in which Prophet PBUH was given a sheet to use as prayer rug, but the sheet had designs on it so after prayer Prophet PBUH told to not give him a 'designed' sheet again. I'm sure there'd be more reasons why 'carpets' are allowed in masjids.

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In this regard, if you evaluate the innovations I listed as compared to the previous listings, I think you will also conclude that the former has greater religious significance.

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I agree that Sunni 'definition of innovation' might be considered 'challengeable' since it allows Companions of Prophet, or Tabi'een, or Taba Tabi'een to innovate but not after that. I'll try to do some research when I get chance.
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We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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*However, performing wudu wrongly is against the directives of the qur'an. Praying taraweh in jamaat when the holy prophet (pbuh) did not do so is changing religious practises. *

If I'm not mistaken this was an innovation in times of our Prophet (pbuh) and he saw them performing taraweh in jammat (Umar al'Khitaab a.s.), but didn't made it (fard) neither was against it. So when our prophet (pbuh) didn't feel that it would change religious practises then who are you to claim so.

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“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Bissmillah wassalla llahu ^ala Rasulillah.

Brothers and sisters in Islam, Assalamu ^alaykum, I will clarify what innovation is based on the sayings of the scholars, and topic is specificly about the permissbility of making Salat and Salam on the Prophet after athan.

Allah said in Al Qur’an which means: [Allah and his angles make salat and salam onto the Prophet, o you who believed Make salat and Salam onto him]

Brothers in Islam, know that making Salat on the Prophet (To say May Allah’s peace and blessings be onto the Prophet) after the Athan is a good innovation and not unlawful rather rewardable. What Mu’athins do from making salat and salam after the athan is from the good innovations and it is conducted from the religion as the Prophet Sallallhu ^Alayhi wassallam said in the Hadith related by Muslim: “If you hear Al Mu’athin say as he says than make salat on me” and this is enough to prove that it’s permissible for the Mu’athins to make salat and salam on the Prophet after the athan.

Salat on the Prophet and salam has been initiated by the Mu’athins after every athan at the time of Sultan Haji bin al-Ashraf Sha^ban, Imam As-Suyutiyy said in his book “Al Wasa’il Ila Musamarat Al ‘Awa’il” page 9: “Salat and salam on the Prophet after the athan was initiated in the white minaret at the time of As-Sultan Haji bin Al Ashraf Sha^ban bin Husain bin an-Nasir bin al-Mansoor Qalawoon by the command of Al Muhtassib Najm Ad-Deen at-Tanbady and that was on Sha^ban of 791 H, and before that, at the time of Sultan Salahud-Deen bin Ayoub they used to make Salam on the Prophet every night before the athan of Fajr in Egypt and Sham (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan..) and that continued until the year 776 H and on it by the command of Al Muhtassib Salahud-Deen al Barlasy added: Salat and Salam onto you o Messenger of Allah (Peace and blessings onto you Messenger of Allah) than it was done after every athan year 791 H.
This matter is permissible by Ijma^ (Unanimous agreement) according to the four Mathahib. This also proves that there are good innovations and bad innovations which is the base of our topic.

And here are the sayings from the four schools in the permissibility of the Salat and Salam on the Prophet by the Mu’thins.

  • Hanafy (School) Mathhab: Sheik Muhammad ^Ala’ Ad-Deen Al Hiskfiy in his book “Ad-Dur Al Mukhtar” he said: “Hint: Making Salam after the athan in the month Rabi^ Al Akhir year 781 during the ^Isha’ prayer on Monday night, and on Jumu^ah, and after 10 years the ‘Salam’ was done in all prayers except Al Maghrib and in it twice, and it’s a good innovation” look in Hashiat Ibn ^Abideen 1/390. So he said that there is good innovations and in particular athan is one of them.

The Maliky Mathhab:
Sheikh Shams Ad-Deen Muhammad ^Urfah ad-Dasuqiy Al Maliky said in his Hashiah on As-Sahrh Al Kabeer 1/193: “And for the Salat on the Porphet after the Atahn, it’s an innovation of guidance it was first done at the time of Salahud-Deen Yousuf bin Ayoub”. And here I would like to clarify that the saying of Ad-Dasuqiyy was during the time of the victorious fighter Salahud-Deen Al Ayoubiy who freed Al Aqsa, The salat on an-Nabiy happened prior to athan Al Fajr, but when it became as it is now, done at every athan of the prayers, it was done during the time of Sultan Hajy son of Al Ashraf Sha^ban as we took it from As-Suyoutiy.

The Shafi^y Mathhab:
Al Hafith as-Sakhawiy ash-Shafi^iyy, and he is the student of Al Hafith Ibn Hajar Al ^asqalaniyy, he said in his book: Al Qawl Al Badi^ fis-Salat ^ala Al Habib Ash-Shafee^ (His book: the brilliant say on making Salat on the beloved interceder – Prophet Muhammad) page 92: “The Mu’thins have innovated the salat and salam on the messenger of Allah after the athan for the five prayers except the fajr prayer and Jumu^ah, for they forward that in it on the athan exept al Maghrib they did not do it originally due to it’s limited duration”… Until he said: “and scholars had differences on if it’s recommended or not, bad innovation or lawful, but its permissibility was proven by the saying of Allah which means: [and do the good deed] and it’s clear that making Salat and Salam on the Prophet for being a good deed knowing that the news has confirmed and encouraged on doing that as making the Du^a’ after the athan and the last third of the night and near Fajr time and the fact is that it’s a good innovation and its doer is rewarded with the his good intention” End of the saying of Shafi^iyy.

Hanbaly Mathhab:
In the book “Muntaha Al Iradat” for Al hanabilah 1/113-114: “and it has been a good innovation for the Mu’athin and the one who hears athan to make salat on the Prophet sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam when done and to say: Allahumma Rabba Hathihee-Da^watitammah wassalatil al Qa’imah ….” End of saying.

So these sayings that are from the books of four schools prove that such a doing, making salat and salam on the Prophet is from the good innovations. For, the scholars of the four Mathahib permitted this matter after they saw it happen and they were not silent in clarifying it’s judgment according to Islam.

So the four schools all agree on the permissibility on making salat and salam on an-Nabiyy after the athan and they also proved that not every innovation is a bad one, rather there is good innovations as they mentioned and bad innovations.

One might say: according to the aforementioned hadith making salat and salam is only for those who hear the mu’athin not for al Mu’athin himself!

We say what imam an-Nawawiyy said in his book Rawdat At-Talibeen 1/2.3 under the title: “description of the mu’athin and his manners”: “It’s recommended for characteristics of the mu’athin to have a good voice …” till he said “and to make salat and salam on the Prophet sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam by al mu’athin and whomever hears al athan after the athan” end of saying of Nawawiyy.

Also Imam Shams ad-Deen Ar-Ramly, whose known as the small shafi^iyy, in his book :Nihayat Al Muhtaj Ila sharh Al Minhaj” 1/422 he said: “and it’s sunnah for al-Mu’thin and listener to athan as well as stated by hadith related by ibn As-Sunniy and has been mentioned by Al-Musannaf (Meaning Imam An-Nawawiyy) in his Athkar to make salat and salam on the Prophet peace and blesings upon him” end of his saying.

And the hadith indicated by Imam ar-Ramliy is the hadith that we are talking about, so ar-Ramliy used this hadith to prove that it’s permissible to make salat on the Prophet by the mu’thin which denotes that it’s a good innovation that was not done on the time of the Prophet. Al Mawlid and other innovations are similarly proved by the scholars for being good innovations, but let it be clear that bad innovations are the most.

So for those who say that every innovation is evil and says that Making salat and salam on the Prophet is unlawful needs to provide the proves for that. Brother/Sister do not look nor care for those who oppose all of these scholars and make it unlawful to make salat and salam after the atahn, for, this matter is good and Muslims have accepted it for more than 600 years. We do not say that it’s obligatory but it’s a good matter it’s unlawful to deem it impermissible.

O Allah raise the rank of the Prophet and grant us his intercession.

I Believe this point is as clear as the Ijam^ of those great scholars.

So,

Miladun-Mabiy Celebration is a great thing to do, it's is not a must, nor is it haram. It's is a recomended and lawful act which has nothing that interferes with Islamic rules.

Making Salat and Salam after the azan is a lawful matter and recomended to do after azan and at any time. It's great lawful act.

Naat, madih, Nasheed, is a permissible act, it applies with the sunnah of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, as long as the words in praising the Prophet are not exagerated beyond the limits.

Islam is based on: QUR'AN, SUNNAH, AND IJMA^.

Allah knows best.

Ahmad G

You have a habit of quoting without references, thus avoiding verification. Can we have references, please. If ayah, surah number and ayah number. If sunnah full reference to enable us to look up the hadeeth.

If your source is a website, give the link.


Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

will these scholars come to our "shifaa"/"safaarish" on day of Judgement if Allah SWT decides that these bida'a are hell-bound?

don't follow the scholars, follow Allah SWT's commands, and learn them "how to do" by ahaadeeth. simply refraining from ANY innovation is a guarantee of keeping your faith purer.


May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right