so...what should one do?

The Islamic Community

Some may ask: How is it possible for the woman to undertake all the responsibilities that the Shar’a has permitted her such as being a government employee, or a judge settling disputes, or a member of the Majlis al-Ummah remonstrating with rulers and accounting them, bearing in mind the restrictions which have been placed on her in terms of the absence of Khalwa, non display of her charms, and the spending of her private life with women and Mahrams?

It may occur to others to inquire as to how the morals are to be protected? Also how are the morals to be safeguarded if women are allowed to frequent the marketplace, talk to men and undertake their activities in the public life and in the society.

These two questions and others like them are borne out of scepticism and incertitude, which often occur to such people when you present to them the Shari’ah rules of the social system. This is because they see the reality of the life in which they live, under the capitalist system and in the shadow of the banner of Kufr. Hence it becomes difficult for them to conceive the implementation of Islam.

The response to such questions is: that the social system in Islam is a set of diverse Shari’ah rules linked with each other. The requirement to follow one of its rules does not mean the abandonment of another. Rather, the Muslim man and woman should adhere to all of the Shari’ah rules so that there are no contradictions within a single person, otherwise discrepancies would appear in the Ahkam.

Islam does not intend by permitting the woman certain activities that she should go to a government building and work as an employee, after she has adorned herself with ornaments and dressed in a manner as if she is a bride in procession.

Islam certainly does not intend any of those things. Indeed what Islam intends is that the Muslim implements all the rules of Islam on him/herself. Hence when Islam permitted women to buy and sell in the marketplace, it prohibited her from going out displaying her charms and ordered her to adopt both rulings concurrently. So the belief in Islam obliges the Muslim to apply all its rules on him/herself. Islam has legislated rules, which include the undertaking of some actions and abstaining from others, which protects the Muslim, whether man or woman, from deviating from the path to moral virtue. They will act as a defence for the Muslim, preventing him from sliding into a sex-orientated outlook whilst living in the community.

These rules number many.

  1. Both the man and the woman have been ordered to lower their gaze and protect their private parts.

"Tell the believing men to lower from their gaze, and protect their private parts. That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All Aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower from their gaze and protect their private parts"

The lowering of the gaze by every man and woman is the true protection for each of them. That intrinsic protection prevents a person from involving in haram, because the sight is the effective means to fall in haram. When the gaze is lowered then the Munkar is prevented.

  1. Islam ordered the man and the woman to fear Allah(swt)

"Oh you who believe! Fear Allah and speak (always) the truth".

When the Muslim is characterised by the fear of Allah (swt) and he fears His punishment, desires His Paradise and wishes to attain His good pleasure, then this fear will deter him from committing a Munkar and deter him from disobeying Allah I. This is the intrinsic deterrent beyond which there is no deterrent and when the Muslim fears Allah (swt) then he is characterised by the sublimest attributes of perfection.

  1. Islam ordered the man and the woman to keep away from areas of uncertainty, and to be careful with regards to that, lest they fall into disobeying Allah I. The Muslim has been ordered not to frequent any place nor do any action, nor be drawn into any situation in which there is uncertainty, lest they commit haram.

If the man and woman stay away from these suspicions which the Shar’a has forbidden then it will protect them from disobedience to Allah (swt) and enable them to be characterised by moral excellence.

  1. Islam encourages marriage at an early age so that it begins to restrict the sexual activity of a man and a woman to marriage from an early age. Thus one is brought up in this atmosphere and one is protected by restricting the sexual activity to marriage when the sexual instinct begins to be agitated. He said: “Oh you who are young. Whoever amongst you who can afford to marry should marry". Marriage has been made exceptionally easy by urging the reduction of the bridal dower (Mahr). He said: “The one (amongst you, women) who receives the least amount of mahr is the most blessed (Baraka)".

  2. Those men whose specific circumstances do not allow them to get married, they have been commanded that they should be characterised by chastity and self control.

"And let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah enriches them of His Bounty"

And they have been ordered to fast as a treatment for the sexual or procreation instinct so that they seek recourse to the worship of fasting in order to overcome it and occupy themselves with that which is more sublime and noble i.e. the strengthening of their relationship with Allah (swt) by way of pious deeds.

  1. Women have been instructed to act modestly by wearing the complete attire in the public life. In addition Islam restricts the private life to women and non-marriageable men (Mahram). There is no doubt that the appearance of a modest woman will act as a barrier between her and thus guarding herself against the unscrupulous gazes of those who do not fear Allah I. The Qur’an has described this dress in a precise, complete and comprehensive manner. When the woman wears this complete dress which is when she draws her Khimar over her bosom and wraps her head-covering around her neck and chest, and when she drapes her Jilbab over her body and lowers it towards the floor such that her whole body is concealed even to the feet, then she can be said to have worn the complete dress, taken protection in her attire and manifested her modesty. Wearing this complete dress, she can go out into the public life in order to pursue her activities in the most modest and dignified manner, which, will thus guard herself against the unscrupulous gazes of those who do not fear Allah (swt) .

These are the divine rules which include the performance of affirmative actions. As for the Shari’ah rules which include the abstention from actions they are:

  1. The private meeting between a man and a woman alone is prohibited. Khalwa is the meeting of a man and a woman in a place where no one is able to enter, except by their permission. An example such as their getting together in a house or in an open space remote from public access. So the Khalwa is the meeting of two people in isolation, secure from the presence of others. This Khalwa is corruption itself, therefore Islam has categorically prohibited it between a man and woman who are not Mahram to each other, whoever these two persons may be and whatever this Khalwa may be. The Prophet said: “Whosoever believes in Allah and the Last Day (Al-yawm al-akhir) let him not be alone with a woman who has not a mahram with her. Indeed, the third (person) is al-Shaytan!". By preventing Khalwa the Shar’a took the necessary safeguards between the men and women. The reality of Khalwa is that it makes the man and woman more sexually agitated. And by prohibiting this solitary privacy (Khalwa fardiyya) the causes of corruption are eliminated, because the Khalwa is one of the direct means to corruption.

  2. The woman has been forbidden from displaying her charms (Tabarruj) from the time when Allah (swt) prohibits it. He (swt) said:

"And as for women past childbearing who do not expect wed-lock, it is no sin on them, if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show their charms" [An- Nur: 60]

Thus, Allah (swt) has forbidden women past child-bearing age from displaying their charms (Tabarruj), allowing the discarding of the dress, without displaying their charms (Tabarruj). Implicit in this, is the prohibition of Tabarruj. Since women past the age of childbirth have been prohibited from displaying their charms (Tabarruj) then by greater reason women who have not reached such an age should not make Tabarruj.

"And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their charms".

  1. Islam has prohibited every man and woman from pursuing occupations which endanger morals and cause corruption in society. Hence the woman is prohibited from performing jobs which aim to exploit her femininity. Rafi b. Rifaa (ra) narrates: “The Prophet forbade us from the earnings of the slave-girl except that which she earned with her own two hands". And He said indicating with his fingers to mean baking, spinning yarn, and engraving. So the woman has been forbidden from working in shops where the aim is to attract customers because of her sex or to work in embassies, consulates and other such places in order to use her femininity to realise political objectives. She is also prohibited from working as an airhostess in an aeroplane or other occupations where the woman works with the intention of using her femininity.

  2. Islam forbade the defamation of chaste woman, i.e. accusing them of fornication.

"And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fasiqun (transgressors)".

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Social System of Islam *

So, these divine rules which include the abstention from certain actions ensures that the Islamic community, wherever co-operation may occur, proceeds to co-operate within the limits of purity (Tahara) and Taqwa (God fearing).

Through all of this, it is possible for a person to visualise what the Islamic community is and comprehend what the Muslim woman is. He can realise that the womans performance of actions in the public life which the Shar’a has permitted her, will not result in corruption nor lead to any harm. He can see it is necessary for the public life and elevation of the community. Therefore, Muslims must adhere to the rules of Shar’a whether they be in Dar al-Islam, Dar al-kufr, in a Islamic or non-Islamic country, amidst a community of Muslims or non-Muslims. They must undertake the activities the Shar’a has permitted for the women, and they should not fear any blame from it. Indeed acting according to the Shar’a rules is a protection for the woman, elevation for the community and obedience to the orders and prohibitions of Allah I. The Shar’a is the best source, informing what will suit man as an individual or a community in the private and public life.

This is briefly the system by which Islam treated the meeting from which problems arise, which is the meeting of men and women. It becomes clear from this system that divine rules have come to ensure the prevention of corruption, which may arise from this meeting. They also ensure the attainment of the well being of the Islamic community, which the purity, Taqwa, diligence and work provide. It guarantees a private life in which the person attains tranquillity and rest from life’s troubles. And it ensures a public life, which is serious, productive and provides for the community that which it requires in life in terms of happiness and ease. These rules are part of the social system because they organise the social intercourse of men and women. As for the relationships, which arise from this social intercourse and the problems that branch out from it, they are another part of the social system. These are: marriage, divorce, sonship and financial maintenance (Nafaqah) etc. Although these rules (of marriage and divorce) are from the systems of society because they organise the relationship between individuals, from the point of view of their origin, they have however resulted from the social intercourse that takes place between men and women. Therefore, they are studied in the social system in view of their origin and source. As for their details and ramifications, they are part of the systems of society, and they are studied under that category of societal transactions (Mu’amalat).

Showing men her alluring charms, and incites their desires for her. Nor does Islam intend that she goes to the store wearing such adornments, or selling a product in a state of softness and seductivity, using a manner of speech which tempts the buyer to enjoy chatting to her during the haggling, thereby increasing the price of the commodity or enticing him to make a purchase. Nor does Islam intend that she works as a clerk for a lawyer or as a secretary for a businessman leaving her alone with him whenever the job necessitated Khalwa, wearing for him such clothes that reveal her hair, bosom, back, arms and lower legs and displaying that which he desires from her naked body.

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Question: What is the Islaamic hijaab?

Response: The Islaamic hijaab is for the women to cover everything that is forbidden for her to expose. That is, she covers everything that she must cover. **The first of those bodily parts that she must cover is her face. **It is the source of temptation and the source of people desiring her. May Allah guide us all!
fe aman Allah
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WTF? where did you get this from?

Prophet(saw) said in a hadith: Woman must cover everything EXCEPT 'her face and hands'!

Who are you to tell them to cover their faces? Could you prove this with a Quranic ayah or Hadith??!

"It is the source of temptation and the source of people desiring her."

This SAME thing could be said about men!!

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assalamuallykum brother/sister:

The question was answered by one of the famous Islamic Scholars “Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen” at http://www.fatwa-online.com

you wrote: "Prophet(saw) said in a hadith: Woman must cover everything EXCEPT ‘her face and hands’! "

please provide me with the source of the hadith that you mentioned above. otherwise stop spreading false information in the name of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

you wrote: Who are you to tell them to cover their faces? Could you prove this with a Quranic ayah or Hadith??!

Brother/sister, the proof is as follows straight from the quraan:

The Quran says:

“O Prophet! tell your wives and daughters and the wives of the believers to draw a part of their cloaks on their faces [when they go abroad]. That is more proper so that they may be recognized and are not harmed. Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” (33:59)

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband’s fathers, their sons, their husband’s sons, their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.” (24:31)

These are the Quranic directives of Hijaab. The social etiquette they depict is poised magnificently between the extremes human civilizations have often witnessed. Like all other directives of Islam their object is to purify the soul and to purge it from evil, which is essential if man has to become worthy of the eternal life Heaven — the eternal life for which the Almighty actually created him.

May Allah guide us all!
fe aman Allah
your brother in Islam

The issue is a disputed one, but no whre is it stated that the face should be the first thing to be covered, and with due respect to Shaykh Ibn Uthaimeen (I'm sure he must have his reasoning) what appears to be closer to the truth is that it is definitely not obligatory, and neither is it something explicity commanded in the quran or the sunnah (mostly through the actions of the wives of the prophet and the companions, however, we can draw the conclusion that the face viel was also followed)

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The issue is a disputed one, but no whre is it stated that the face should be the first thing to be covered, and with due respect to Shaykh Ibn Uthaimeen (I'm sure he must have his reasoning) what appears to be closer to the truth is that it is definitely not obligatory, and neither is it something explicity commanded in the quran or the sunnah (mostly through the actions of the wives of the prophet and the companions, however, we can draw the conclusion that the face viel was also followed)
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assalamuallykum brother:

It is so pathetic to see how easy it is to reject a known Islamic Scholar's authentic ruling and replaces it with one's own ideology. Brother, i'm sorry but would you plesae provide me with an authentic source and reasoning that proves your claim?

here is another explaination given by Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Q.) I would like to know about Hijab in the light of Qur'an & Hadith as how our Muslim women should cover their body? Some people are saying that covering of face is not necessary and also not prescribed through our religion and thus only body can be covered. What are the opinions of most prominent Islamic scholars or four Imams? [Shaikh Mohd. Asif Yanbu Al-Sinaiyah]


A.) A) Is it necessary for a woman to cover her face in the presence of strangers (who are not her designated Mahaarim) according to Shariáh? This question is answered in this article in the context of the claim that the veil or Niqaab is primarily 'a social requirement and custom according to the environment and custom, and according to the environment and customs of a particular country.' In endeavouring to answer the question, we will confine ourselves to a brief examination of the relevant Qurãnic verses.

Surah An-Nur, Verses 30 and 31

'And Say to the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bossoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim women) (i.e. sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful'

It is apparent that upon a plain reading the purpose of the verse is to eradicate promiscuity, fornication and adultery and all the preliminary steps that lead directly to the commission of such shameful acts. The references to 'lowering their gaze', 'drawing their veils over their bosoms' and 'striking their feet to draw attention' indicate that all acts or omissions which in the ordinary course leads directly to sexual promiscuity and FITNAH are forbidden.

In order to totally eradicate sexual promiscuity and FITNAH, the verse goes on to say that a woman is not permitted to display her beauty and charms except in degrees to her husband, father and the other classes of person specified in the verse. The exempt class would constitute the MAHAARIM, and any other would qualify as strangers or GHAIR MAHRAM. The principle fixed by the verse is, therefore that a woman cannot display her beauty to any male person other than the persons exempted by the verse. It goes without saying that the face is the focal-point of a woman's beauty, and the main source of attraction. Hence, the face of a woman cannot be displayed or shown to a stranger in normal circumstances whether in public or private according to the general principle fixed by the verse as stated above. She is permitted to display her beauty to the exempt class (the MAHAARIM) for obvious reasons of close contact, and because of the considerably lesser danger of sexual promiscuity and FITNAH within that class. (Zamakhshari)

The Shariáh, however, is practical, dynamic and takes into account the real situations of life. A woman may in the case of genuine need be forced to expose her face in the presence of strangers. For example, when she appears in court to give witness, etc.

It is against this background that the preceding portion of the verse 'they should not display their beauty and charms except what must ordinarily appear unavoidable' falls into proper perspective. The words 'Illaa maa dhahara min'haa' are in context an exception to the general rule, and cover those cases of genuine need and necessity when a woman is forced to expose her face in the presence of a stranger. That is how the great commentators of the Noble Qurãn have interpreted the verse.

Take the following two examples,

'Women must not display any part of their beauty and charms to strangers except what cannot possibly be concealed.' (Ibn Katheer)

'Why is the woman permitted to display her external beauty and charms? Because to conceal that would cause her inconvinience. A woman is forced to deal in commodities with her own hands. She is compelled by genuine need to expose her face especially at the times of giving evidence, litigating in court and marriage. She is compelled to walk the streets and expose her feet, especially poor women. This is the meaning of 'illaa maa dhahara min'haa' that is 'except what the situations of ordinary life compel her to expose'. (Zamakhshari)

A further point is the interpretation of 'illaa maa dhahara min'haa' has been highlighted by the well known scholar, Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA). He states that the verb used is that of the first form 'dhahara' and not 'adhhar' which in forth form signifies a deliberate exposure or display. The use of 'maa dhahara' indicates that the exposure of the face is confined to need. (Imdaadul Fataawa vol. 4 p. 181)

It follows from the aforegoing that upon a proper interpretation of the verse the face and hands of a woman can only be exposed to strangers in a situation of genuine need where concealment would cause her serious inconvinience. However, genuine need is not open to wide interpretations.

SURA AL-AHZAAB - VERSE 53

'...And when you ask them for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen...'

The meaning of this verse is clear: the companions of the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) were ordered to communicate with the wives of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) from behind a screen and not directly face to face. It is obvious that this instruction is not limited to the wives of the Holy Prophet (Sallallaau Álayhi Wasallam). The verse has general application and the fact that the noble wives of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) are specifically mentioned emphasises the importance of the subject matter. The distinguished jurist, Abubakar Jassa (RA) in his Ahkaamul Qurãn states:

'This order, although revealed specifically in relation to the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is general in application because we are ordered to follow him.'

Similarly, the well known commentator of the Noble Qurãn, Imaam Qurtubi (RA) in his Al-Jamia li Ahkaamul Qurãn states:

'All women are in effect covered by the terms of the verse which embraces the Sharée principle that the whole of a woman is 'Áwrah' (to be concealed) - her body and voice, as mentioned previously. It is not permissible to expose those parts except in the case of need, such as the giving of evidence...'

SURAH AL-AHZAAB - VERSE 59

'O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way)...'

In his commentary to this verse, Allama Abubakar Jassas (RA) states the following:

'This verse proves that a young woman is ordered to cover her face from strangers, and to manifest SATR and modesty in public so that doubtful people may not be desirous of her.'

It is sufficient to quote the following authentic commentators in their interpretation of the verse:

'They (women), shall cover their faces and bodies with their outer garment when they appear in public for a valid reason.'

'They shall cover their faces and...'

Ibn Ábbaas (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) states that the Muslim women are ordered to cover their head and faces with outer garments except for one eye.'

And Allah Taãla Knows Best.

May Allah guide us all!
fe aman Allah
your brother in islam

walikumsalam,

I’m the one ignoring the words of scholars? Buddy boy dont get me wrong. For my female relatives I would love the face veil + the body cover. But this is not something made FARDH on them and there is a difference between the two!!! Point being, women have a choice here depending on which view they think is stronger.

Shaykh Uthaimeen, is one of my favorite scholars of the yesteryears.

If you think I’m ‘rejecting’ the words of Shaykh Uthaimeen, perhaps you’d be wise to read THIS. Its an article by Shaykh Albani, titled errors of those who make the face veil obligatory.

(and please take out all the words from the brackets in the quran translation there.. i mean seriously)

Following that, please read an examination for the daleels of making niqaab a fardh and then again here.

I am not against the niqab, search posts for the last 2 weeks and you’ll see I was debating in its favor, but that can not make it obligatory.

As a final touch, read ALL the articles on this page and then tell me what you think. Making something a fardh is not a joke. Please do considerable research before arriving at conclusions.

And next time, think twice before laying a blame on another muslim brother, my purpose was not to belittle the shaykh, but to say that another authentic point of view does exist.

Assalamuallykum brother:

All praise be to Allah, thank you very much for the post.

Brother, I am sorry If you’ve got offended by me. I did not mean to disrespect you in any way. I was recommended by a Muslim brother from Pakistan to write on this forum. I was very disappointed to see (Probably you have experienced the same) that most of the time, issues are discussed on this forum without an authentic source or without referring to the Quran or hadith. Therefore I asked you for a source of your claim, for just to be on a safe side.

As Allah says:

“(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination”[al-Nisa’ 4:59]

As you see that this post of yours is a different and more reliable one from the previous one where none of the sources were mentioned.

One of the links http://www.muhajabah.com/niqabdalils.htm

that you posted extracted their details from the following site:

which states at the end that:

“NOTE FROM THE AUTHOR:
Just to make it clear the point of this page is NOT to say if a woman doesn’t wear niqaab she will go to Jahunum, as we know there are two valid view points on the hijab. One view held by the Ullima is that the niqaab (covering the face) is wajib (compulsory) and other Ullima hold the view it is Mustahab (recommended and the best thing to do but not compulsory). This page is to explain to those people who say things like “The niqaab is not in islam or is not important” or is “bad for dawa” these people should understand that the Niqaab is from the Quraan and Hadith and even if you hold the view of it not being wajib it is still THE BEST thing and recommended and anyone who wears it is to be respected. And is anyone discourages the wearing of Niqaab or denies it being in Islam or makes fun of someone who wears it they should fear ALLAH and take their shahadah over.”

This claim probably sorts out everything as we always ought to seek for the best.

The most satisfying source from you was the article by Shaykh Albani, translated by Bilal Philips (another Muslim Scholar).

Indeed scholars have a distinguished position in Islam and in the eyes of Allah (SWT).

Allah will exalt in degree those of you who believe and those who have been granted knowledge. (The Holy Quran, Al-Mujadilah, 58.11)

Prophet Muhammad(SAW) has said:

The superiority of the learned Scholar over the devout worshipper is like that of the full moon (in brightness) over the rest of the stars. The learned are the heirs of the Prophets, who bequeath neither dinar nor dirham (wealth), but only knowledge; and he who acquires it, has acquired an abundant portion. (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi)

If scholars’ opinions differ, then one should follow the one who is most trustworthy and most knowledgeable. This is like when a person falls sick – may Allaah give us all good health – and he looks for the most trustworthy and knowledgeable doctor so that he can go to him, because he is most likely to give him the right treatment than anyone else. It is more important to be on the safe side in religious matters than in worldly ones.

Al-Khilaaf bayna al-‘Ulama’ by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 26; Liqa’ Munawwa’ ma’a Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, p. 25, 26

“Is it befitting for a wise man to take precautions for his physical health and go to the most skilled doctors no matter how far away they are, and spend a great deal of money on that, then take the matter of his religion lightly and not to care about it unless it coincides with his whims and desires, and to take the easiest fatwa even if it is contrary to the truth? Indeed, there are even people who – Allaah forbid – ask a scholar a question, and if his fatwa does not suit their whims and desires, they will ask another, and another, until they find a person who will give them the fatwa they want!”

As for the scholars, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“If a judge passes a ruling to the best of his ability and knowledge and gets it right, he will have two rewards. If he passes a ruling to the best of his ability and knowledge but gets it wrong, he will have one reward.” (al-Bukhaari, 7352; Muslim, 1716).

We ask Allaah to give us understanding and to help us to acquire beneficial knowledge and to do righteous deeds.

May Allah guide us all!
fe aman Allah

well, it is definitely not ordered in Islam for women to cover their face, but it definitely is ordered to men to keep their eyes down and not look at na-mehrams....

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The issue is a disputed one, but no whre is it stated that the face should be the first thing to be covered, and with due respect to Shaykh Ibn Uthaimeen (I'm sure he must have his reasoning) what appears to be closer to the truth is that it is definitely not obligatory, and neither is it something explicity commanded in the quran or the sunnah (mostly through the actions of the wives of the prophet and the companions, however, we can draw the conclusion that the face viel was also followed)
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greatpakistani,

:wsalam:

No I was not offended, and no hard feelings insha’llah. I just wanted to clarify that this is something where the scholars have differed so we should look at the rulings, and then follow what we feel to be most correct.

And ofcourse actions are dependent on intentions, so people should research and follow the right daleels for the right reasons, instead of following their whims and desiers. Its good having you around the forum, do keep visiting.

kingofhearts,

Excellent point. We can even see in ahadith that the Prophet turned the face away of the companions if any of them stared, (i.e. if the woman was not wearing the face veil), instead of asking the woman to put on the veil. Plus, lowering the gaze is a direct explicit order, while covering the face has been historically debated.

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assalamuallykum brother/sister:

please provide me with the source of the hadith that you mentioned above.

W’alaikumassalam!

Please read the following hadith..

Book 32, Number 4092:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:

Asma, daughter of AbuBakr, entered upon the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) turned his attention from her. He said: ‘O Asma’, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this’, and he pointed to her face and hands.
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Brother/sister, the proof is as follows straight from the quraan:

The Quran says:

“O Prophet! tell your wives and daughters and the wives of the believers to draw a part of their cloaks on their faces [when they go abroad]. That is more proper so that they may be recognized and are not harmed. Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” (33:59)

Which site did you copy this surah from? The translation of this surah is different in my copy of Quran and even in my trusted Quran site …I don’t see the covering face part in there…What is wrong?

Don’t take it harshly brother…We’re only clarifying!

God bless! Allah Hafiz!

when i wrote that i was actually refferin to the time of the 2nd and 3rd khalifa’s…but even if i was in the time when prophet Muhammad:saw: started preaching islam…i think it would hav been better…because i would have had much more iman…much more faith. the ways of life our much more harder …its hard to be a good muslim and walk the walk of the people today…atleast its hard 4 me.

thanx everyone for their relys...very helpful.