sniper john mohummad got convicted today

i believe he should get the death penalty..did u see the loser tried to defend himself..that was funny..90 % of the people at cnn.com said he should get death

VIRGINIA BEACH, Virginia (CNN) – A jury found sniper shootings suspect John Allen Muhammad guilty of capital murder and three other charges related to last year’s sniper shooting spree.

The seven-woman, five-man jury also found Muhammad guilty of committing a murder in an act of terrorism, conspiracy and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony.

The jury announced its verdict at 11:55 a.m. EST, after six hours of deliberations.

The capital murder and terrorism charges carry the death penalty as a possible sentence. The penalty phase will begin at 2:30 p.m. EST.

The terrorism conviction is under a Virginia state law passed after the September 11, 2001, attacks. The terrorism charge required the prosecution to show that he was responsible for a murder aimed at intimidating the public or influencing the government.

The capital murder charge required prosecutors to show that he was responsible for at least two murders in a three-year period.

CNN Correspondent Jeanne Meserve reported that Muhammad showed no emotion as the verdict was read.

Muhammad’s defense attorneys had argued there was no evidence he was responsible for the sniper shootings, and that alleged accomplice Lee Boyd Malvo appeared to be the triggerman. But the prosecution argued that Muhammad was the “immediate perpetrator,” even if not the triggerman.

The verdict came six weeks after the trial began, and on the day that testimony began in the Malvo trial.

The trial began with jury selection on October 13 with Muhammad, 42, announcing he would represent himself. Later that first week Muhammad switched course and told the judge he would return to his attorneys for representation.

Prosecutors presented testimony from 136 different witnesses and more than 400 pieces of evidence over 14 days. Testimony included witnesses and family members of victims from last year’s shooting spree recounting the shootings that terrorized the suburbs of the nation’s capital.

Some of the witnesses – notably crime scene analysts and medical examiners – made numerous appearances.

Muhammad’s attorneys presented five witnesses and gave evidence that lasted less than three hours.

Earlier Monday, prosecutors said that during his confinement earlier this year Muhammad attempted to escape.

The assertion came in arguments before the judge involving what evidence may be used in the sentencing phase if Muhammad is convicted.

Although prosecutors did not say in court when Muhammad attempted to escape, a government source told CNN the incident took place on March 23. But the defense called the allegation an unfounded rumor.

Prosecutor James Willett said Muhammad was put in solitary confinement after his alleged escape attempt.

Defense attorney Jonathan Shapiro argued that word of the escape attempt was only a rumor. But Willett said the commonwealth has evidence.

Willett did not say at what point Muhammad tried to escape.

Muhammad was charged in the October 9, 2002, slaying of Dean Harold Meyers outside a Manassas gas station.

Muhammad and Malvo are accused of being behind the October 2002 sniper slayings that killed 10 people and wounded three in the Washington, D.C., area. They are also charged in sniper shootings in several other states.

Muhammad and Malvo are the first suspects to be charged under Virginia’s terrorism law.

I dont understand the terrorism law bit, because this looks more like a serial killer deal here. but maybe I am missing some point, all serial killers terrorize the communities they prey upon.

Either way, The dude should pay for his crimes and be given the death penalty.

I am pretty sure, both of them will get the death penalty, and justifiably so. Todate, I have not heard a single reason why they went on the sniper killing rampage. What was all that? What was their point? They were picking out random people across the county and killing them. It can't get any worse than that. It could have been an inner feeling of playing god, or to instill terror in the whole community. And they even shot a child in front of a school.

Lets get rid of such garbage from the face of Earth.

finally this crap muhammad will get what he deserves, death penalty.

I'm not a big fan of the death penality, i'd rathre see them get life in prison.

One thing though, I feel sorry for the younger guy, Lee malvo. I think he was manipulated and should be shown some leniency.

At some time, I will like some one to explain to me the meaning of the word "manipulation".

A 17-year old guy crawls into the trunk of a car, grabs hold of a long-barreled gun, and kills people. And he does that 10 times or more. He knows he is killing people. He knows people are scared and terrrified. He knows he has shot a child going to school. How much dumber one has to be to think he is doing something worthwhile?

Faisal

its not unlike the youngsters who are sent for suicide missions by groups in the middle east. people can be brainwashed and manipulated.

However that also does not mean that the manipulated person does not have any responsibility especially at an age like 17. people like that present a double tragedy, a tragedy of their actions and the tragedy of their own demise at the hand of others and due to them not getting a grip on reality.

Zain meray bacchay

instead of yer trigger happy posting did you get to understand the meaning of what was being sdaid. let me break it down into easy to digest ideas.

1) people can be manipulated
2) being manipulated is not enough of an argument, because one does have the ability to think about their own actions.

the only reason the example of your beloved suicide bombers was given was to illustrate a point that people can be manipulated.

Fraudia, if you agree with Faisal, then whats the point bringing in “suicide bombers”?? :hoonh:

Edit: I see ur response above… would that mean they don’t get punishment? whats the point in discussing “manipulation”? He is 17.

changez bhai..I agree with faisal partially i.e. people can be manipulated, the other part of my point is that even if one is manipulated it does not absolve them of their responsibility, if one was threatened and coerced into doing something againsttheir will that is a diff situation than soemone being manipulated to do soemthing, and in that case " i was manipulated" is just not enough of an excuse.

as far as suicide bombers, it was noted as a point to illustrate that ppl can be manipulated.

maybe i should have given the example of MQM goons, who were also brainwashed and manipulated to cause havoc.

The idea here is not to divert the thread but to provide an example to prove that indeed people can be manipulated.

previous post was posted prior to your edit.

Basically i think malvo's l;awyers will argue that he was manipulated and he is a minor thus he should be dealt differently than John Allan Muhammad.

I dont see what else they can use aside from that to try and get his life saved,. I think that its a flimsy point and should not detract from the seriousness of this young man's actions and he should be punished accordingly.

Malvo's lawyers will make essentially the same argument which John Allen's prosecutors made.

Frauds, I know manipulation, and how it can happen. My point was precisely on this particular case, talking about this 17-year old dude who was killing people from the modified trunk of the Chevy sedan.

Both John Allen and Lee Boyd are partners in a hideous string of murderers. Both of them knew fully well what they were doing. I bet they were enjoying all the wrong clues given out by the police (white van etc); and the nation-wide publicity about their sniper shootings. And they were carrying out purely random shootings. No philosophical cause, religious cause, revenge or anything has been brought forth to explain why they killed so many people. If ever there will be a case for capital punishment, this is one. IMV.

I think we should bring in Iranian judges for the sentencing phase

Regarding manipulation, sure people can be manipulated but if you fall victim to it then you're guilty of felonious stupidity. (and should still be punished for what you did, brainwashed or not)
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Todate, I have not heard a single reason why they went on the sniper killing rampage. What was all that? What was their point?
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I think the authorities didn't want to publicize their story too much in order to prevent those who would glorify it or debate it so much that it might seep into other idiots' heads. Or maybe they just didn't talk about it.. I dunno.

My predictions for sentencing:
Allen = death
Malvo = life

That's the way it usually goes isnt it?

Well here’s the reason:

Teen Sniper Suspect Sought Chaos in D.C.

too bad this murderer changed his last name to muhammad what a bloody shame

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too bad this murderer changed his last name to muhammad what a bloody shame
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is it only me who has noticed that in the media it is known as the 'sniper muhammad' trial, as oppose to being the 'john allan muhammad trial " and the second popular trial is the 'scott peterson trial' rather than the 'family-killer peterson trial'....???
why is it like that, john allen was /is a serial killer, a psycho who thought that by killing a few around his wife, she would just be astatistic when he killed her, why they gotta make it sound like his religion had sth to do with it? thedude was nuts, but no one seems to notice that!

Now, i'm a big beliver of media manipulating thought and negatively protraying muslims HOWEVER

About the use of Muhammad,
I for one was very surprised and pleased that the media really spent alot of time emphasizing that John Muhammed's acts were that of a crazy guy, not of a MUSLIM guy. Many of the reporters told of how he left mainstream Islam...I can remember one acquaintance who was interviewed saying “I don't get how he did this stuff...now I thought he was Muslim, they don't do stuff like that”.

One other thought about manipulation. If Malvo was manipulated only because he's young, then hopefully he won't be again, however perhaps he's that "type'...who's to say he won't be manipulated again. Either way, I would still want someone so young to have time to repent and gain forgiveness from God before they are killed.

If people cant recognize that this Muhammad is driven by insanity and not Islam, don't worry.. Darwin will catch up with them sooner or later.