Re: Sindh water woes: "Time to take the right step"
And why must Sindh pay for Punjab's inadequacy in dealing with India? The result is the same no matter what logic you try to use. India steals water from Punjab and Punjab steals from Sindh. Sindhi farmers suffer the most and when they cry foul, they are labeled as traitors or lazy.
Re: Sindh water woes: "Time to take the right step"
Oh Baboo, Bharatis don't just steal water from Punjab. They steal from every region downstream. Water flowing down south doesn't have Punjab or Sindh written on it. Once you stop water in Ravi, you ultimately stop water flowing in the Sindh river.
People who shout empty slogans against one or the other province are not willing to provide data. They just want to increase the hatred.
p.s. I tell my Urdu people not to indulge in ethno-fascism. God forbid, if Pakistan ever gets into trouble, Sindhis would love to throw us back across khokhrapar. Just like Biharis were targeted by the Bengalis.
Sindhis will never forget how they lost their prime real estate to UPs in Hyderabad and Karachi. So please go easy on fanning the ethnic hatred.
Re: Sindh water woes: "Time to take the right step"
There is no "ethno-fascism" here just the truth about Sindh's farms suffering from water shortage while much of Punjab not facing the same problems. Anyway, I've said my piece and I don't like arguing in circles. As a resident of Sindh and as someone who has family involved in agriculture in Sindh, I support their struggle for equitable water treatment. That is all.
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http://www.dawn.com/2006/04/17/ebr8.htm
Is Kalabagh dam really inevitable?
By Muhammad Idris Rajput
THE pro-Kalabagh dam lobby believes that if it is not built, following things may happen.
(i) Inter-provincial tensions in water distribution would exacerbate since the amount of water to be distributed will reduce significantly because of silting of reservoirs.
(ii) With additional availability of water from Kalabagh dam, it will be possible to implement Water Apportionment Accord, 1991 and,
(iii) it will become almost impossible to meet the future food requirements of the growing population.
These arguments need to be examined in the light of facts and figures: (i) At present, there is inter-provincial tension in water distribution. The cause is not shortage of water but unfairness in distribution.
If the water is distributed fairly, so that each co-sharer gets the due share, there will be no tension. Presently, the distribution is done under the Indus River System Authority (Irsa) on the basis of a three-tier formula:
(a) If water availability is less than average system uses for the
period 1977-87, in proportion to system uses from 1977-82.
(b) If availability is between average system uses from 1977-82 i.e. 105.4 million acre feet (MAF) and accord allocation (117.35 MAF) in proportion to system uses up to system uses (105.4 maf) and more, than system-uses in proportion to the accord allocations.
(c) If availability is greater than accord allocation, in proportion to accord allocations up to accord allocation and in following ratio beyond accord allocation:-
Sindh: 37 per cent;
Punjab: 37 per cent;
NWFP: 14 per cent and
Balochistan: 12 per cent.
It may be noted that average system uses from 1977-82 are not part of the accord and there is no mention of the distribution formula. The accord says that the distribution is to be made in proportion to 10 daily allocation forming part of accord.
Another cause of tension is that NWFP and Balochistan are given their full share, even when the supplies are short.
Re: Sindh water woes: “Time to take the right step”
Is this how you think you can buy your opponent’s sympathies? This premise of getting ejected has never been in the minds of the people here. Making others insecure to get yourself going is not fair.
Re: Sindh water woes: “Time to take the right step”
Isn’t it nice to know that India is being flexible over this storage dam issue on the Indus, yet Punjab cannot afford the same flexibility to Sindh, which is supposed to be part of the same country?
http://www.dawn.com/2006/04/19/top2.htm
India ready for modification: Kishanganga project
NEW DELHI, April 18:** In an effort to end the long-standing dispute over the Kishanganga project, India will now propose to Pakistan modifications in the 330 MW hydro-electric power plant in Jammu and Kashmir to convert it into a run-of-the-river project, instead of generating electricity from water stored in a dam.**
A decision by the union cabinet on Tuesday to convert the project into a run-of-the-river scheme comes in the wake of Pakistan’s objection to the storage of 220 million cubic metres of Indus River water in a reservoir and production of electricity.
“This has been done to end objections raised by Pakistan that India could not store water (under Annexure E of the Indus Water Treaty). Now we will propose that this will be a run-of-the-river scheme (under Annexure D of the treaty),” Science and Technology Minister Kapil Sibal told reporters here.
While New Delhi continues to contend that it has the right to construct reservoirs on tributaries of the Indus and has not violated the treaty, the cabinet decision was aimed at ending the dispute over the project, which was originally proposed in 1994.
As part of the prime minister’s reconstruction plan for Jammu and Kashmir, the union cabinet also approved relaxations in the existing guidelines of a scheme to provide employment to people living below the poverty line. —Online
Re: Sindh water woes: “Time to take the right step”
I totally agree with you. Its the “fixed mentality” of Punjab towrds the issues concerning Inter-Provincial harmony which have made the matters worse. Ironically, what US is doing to Pakistan, Punjab is doing the same to rest of the Provinces.
Re: Sindh water woes: "Time to take the right step"
To keep Sindh happy is precisely why Pakistan has not built a single dam since the commissioning of Tarbela. No dams not even a run of the river dam for the past many decades. What else do you want?
Re: Sindh water woes: "Time to take the right step"
Sindhis will never forget how they lost their prime real estate to UPs in Hyderabad and Karachi. So please go easy on fanning the ethnic hatred.
I see anti-muhajir slogans and yet another attempt to cause conflict between muhaajirs and sindhis failed miserably in above posts by our
anti-muhaajir/anti-mullah poster. Despite this despicable attempt, muhaajirs will remain loyal to Sind and Pakistan.
Who would support loss of agriculture land in Sind? Last time I checked Sind was a part of Pakistan.
When Sind says they are at loss with making a dam (n) they why be cavalier in accepting that as if its a favor from Punjab not to steal more water!
By any rule or international law, downstream land must not be jeopardized by any action. Number crunching is a game politicians and beaurocrats play, but what matters is the fact on the 'ground' (yes, the pun is intended).
I think the discussion of making more dams be done with if only one province is adamant about it. its not just Sindhis, others are not with this plan as well.
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Typical ethno-fascistic statement!
None of you have showed one iota of data that proves your point. There was a detailed table posted in this thread. Neither you or the male Khekhashan ever added any more data to it.
Instead, shouting "Stealing water" slogans by Urdu People community is a dangerous thing for themselves. These baseless slogans will ultimately increase hatred in the country. Punjab is home to Punjabis, and Sindh is home to Sindhis. No matter how hard we try, us Urdu people can never be treated as Sindhis.
God forbid something happens, Punjabis will have their home, but Urdu People will end up homeless in camps (or worse). So we all pray to God almighty that Pakistan and Pak army remains there to protect all of us.
Re: Sindh water woes: "Time to take the right step"
^ Arent you trying to create another issue which is not being discussed here? Stay on the topic and do not divert the discussion to save yourself from the agony of being part of the ethnic group which adds woes to the co-existence of various ethnic communities living in Pakistan. If its numbers that may satisfy you, I tell you my dear that your telemetry system has been officially declared to be producing wrong data. Isnt this enough that the share of Sindh has been reduced from 75% in Pre-Partition era to 37%? Isnt this data? Also pay heed to the argument that what is visible on ground speaks more than the data can speak.
What one feels reading you is that nothing is wrong with the water distribution system in Pakistan and everything is perfectly placed.
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Full of crap!
The issue was water and you tried to twist it into sindhi and muhaajir alleged conflict. You just could not accept a non-Sindhi speaking for Sind and other people's interest.
So who brought ethno-fascist (as you say) statements into the thread which was not even remotely related to Urdu speaking or UPites allegedly taking part of Sind?? YOU DID!
Don't try to beat around the bush Mr.
Your anti-Sind and Anti- Karachi/muhaajir stance is clear in many other threads. Spreading hate is your motto and its so obvious.
I say stick to the issue. People are not dumb who are not willing to go around accepting the dam. You brought 1991 figures which is 15 years old.....a child becomes teenager during that time...could you not do better than that? Asking for figures is not important if Sind land is a living proof of it.
Regarding living in camps, that shows your anti-muhajir mentality and deep seated wishes so only time could tell if your evil wishes are fulfilled or not. No one asked Sindhis to call Muhaajirs Sindhis but Sind is Home for Muhaajirs and despite your repeated attempts to cause trouble in between Sindhis and muhaajirs is going in vain!
Shabaash keep trying and show your true colors!
You still have not learned to respect the very same hands which fed you in tough days and are feeding you to this day! I know all punjabis are not like you..Thank God.
Re: Sindh water woes: "Time to take the right step"
Look don't get worked up because someone said something on GS. Sindhi-Mohajir conflict is now decades old.
Bottom line is that Mohajirs should never play Sindhis against Punjabis. This will simply increase Sindh nationalism beyond where it now stands. Guess what? With every single degree of increase in Sindhi nationalism, Mohajirs will become even bigger targets.
If you really are dying to give Sindhi interest, then bring some rural Sindhis to the universities of Karachi and give them free education. Let them see that they also have a share in Karachi.
Be a positive source of influence by increasing the education and awareness among Sindhis. Harping on anti-Punjabi sloganeering will ultimately hurt Mohajirs. A lot of my UP community members understand this. However a lot more UPites are hell bent on shouting "Stealing Water, Stealing water, Shair Ayaa, Shair Ayaa". Remember the story of the goat herder. He was eaten by the same shair (lion).
Re: Sindh water woes: "Time to take the right step"
The issue is Punjab's attitude and stealing from Sindh's water share. You can keep bringing up dead issues all you like, but it won't change the reality of what Pakistan has become thanks largely to Punjabi laders.
Re: Sindh water woes: "Time to take the right step"
Interstingly you run away when shown your true intention.
1- You avoided to answer to the fact as in previous post you mentioned what you called ethno-fascist statement actually was started by you when you ran out of sensible argument.
2- You tried to incite muhaajirs/sindjhi conflict which showed your true intentions. This was not even the topic.
3- Where did you see muhaajirs playing sindhis against punjabis?
Are you trying to turn the table when losing your ground and being exposed?
4- Again you tried to incite sindhis in last post about sindhis allegedly not being educated in Karachi. Sindhis (as well as all other nationalities) do get free education and many many jobs in Karachi. Its not so much vice versa.
Your point is absolutely invalid. This shows your lack of knowledge about Karachi or karachiites.
5- There is no major problem between sindhis and muhajirs, they just are different like any other different nationalities. People like you want to see others fighting so you can keep stealing resources and when pointed out start
telling stories!
6-If Sindhis promote nationalism, more power to them. Why should Muhaajirs be worried? It seems you have more problem with that.
Let me correct you along the way since you mentioned in another post suggesting muhaajirs were allegedly 'kicked' out. (another of your anti-muhaajir stance based on your utter illiteracy level)
7- Muhaajirs moved to now Pakistan on their free-will thinking they were going to join their muslim brothers. Muhaajirs were given punishment by hindus during migration for doing so. (Vast majority of them were educated and had skills which helped Pakistan lift up from the ground and be on its feet)
Similarly, east punjabi muhaajirs moved to west punjab. Could you say east punjabis were also kicked out from their lands? Now since they are punjabis, so according to your analogy they don' t have to live in camps if God forbid something happens in future...right? Your hypocracy has no boundaries.
Hope that was simple enough for you so now you can confirm this in a history book or ask an adult if you still have question.
So now lets get back to the topic of the thread....its about unhappiness from all others except Punjab, on making more dams and my suggestion is to start looking for a solution to which everyone can agree without bullying someone or chanting slogans of anti-pakistani for others or irrelevant lion stories.
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Oh Baba, Mohajir-Sindhi conflict is 60 years old now. Sindhis (even if they read this forum) won't need any more incitement.
Anyways the emphasis is more on my own community i.e. Urdu People. Should they incite and shout slogans like "Stealing What-er, Stealing Whatt-err, shair-aya, Chair-aya" ?
My point is that these slogans will ultimately hurt UP community. So they should learn their lesson from East Bengal and quit shouting. Otherwise the camps will be open both in Bharat and in Sindh (Allah maaf karay, God-forbid).
Re: Sindh water woes: "Time to take the right step"
You are still running away from what was said in my post.
I say stop hiding your true intent of bringing hatred among Pakistani and stop supporting thieves and robbers.
And yes..stop worrying too much about Muhaajirs they are fine and will remain alright (insha-allah) since they like to stay on the right side of the fence.
You brought up east Bengal despite you could not stand a simple argument on that topic either.
Go read books of history and then say something on serious topics. Emotional outburst and hateful slogans don't go too far.
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Some people are incorrigible. One of them is right here proving it.
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Why stop worrying about my community?
When I see Mohajirs in BDesh camps, when I hear and see the horrors of Gujarat, the concentration camps, the looting, the burning. I do worry!
Then I thank God, and Pak army for defending me and keeping me safe in Pakistan.
UP community members who delve into their shenanigans pushing Sindhis against Punjabis hope that Sindhis would lose, and Mohajirs will be the ultimate winners.
This aint true. Any thing adding to Sindh-Punjab conflict will result in further escalations in Sindhi-Mohajir conflict. That's a simple 60 years old equation. So quit being a cry baby!
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Still not sticking to the topic or points raised in my earlier posts.
Still trying to cause conflict among dwellers of Sind and avoiding the real issue of water distribution and still not saying ANYTHING for controversial issues of making a dam to deprive Sind and others of water even further.
Still not coming up with clean and saying you were the one who began talking about UPites or Karachiites and inciting Sindhis against them screaming ‘60 years 60 years’ in every post. Punjabis like YOU keep their bullying approach…on some of these issues, and that is not a good thing for everyone.
We know your position on Pakistani (so called Biharis) in BD calling them hindustanis or ultimately related to Bihar or suggesting that they have no relation to Pakistan. Now you want to show you are becoming their supporter? Nice change but …we know your lies after lies dude!
See below for proof:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=211726&page=4
posts# 122
and response from captain sahab in post # 123
And post # 145 and 150 showed your real evil mentality! You tried to incite hatred among Pakistani living in Sind in post # 150 Mr.!!