Sindh Through Centuries!

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I was talking about use of arms against external forces or no evidence of invasions from Sindh to other parts of the world.

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What is that?

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It is because Sindhis as a community existed for a very long time and they never had to venture out for the use of arms.This is where Sufi teachings played a big role.

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SHIVA - The Founder and Owner of all Yoga and Tantra

The Pashupati seal Seal discovered at Mohenjodaro shows a seated figure surrounded by animals, possibly Shiva,the Pashupati. A seal discovered during the excavation of Mohenjo-daro has drawn attention as a possible representation of a “proto-Shiva” figure. This Pashupati (Lord of animal-like beings) seal shows a seated figure, possibly ithyphallic, surrounded by animals. Sir John Marshall and others have claimed that this figure is a prototype of Shiva and have described the figure as having three faces seated in a “yoga posture” with the knees out and feet joined. However, this claim is not without its share of critics, with some academics like Gavin Flood and John Keay characterizing them as unfounded.

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Pashupati seal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marshall’s analysis An early description and analysis of the seal’s iconography was provided by archaeologist John Marshall who had served as the Director-General of the Archaeological Survey of India and led the excavations of the Indus Valley sites. In addition to the general features of the seal described above, he also saw the central figure as a male deity; as three-faced, with a possible fourth face towards the back; and, as ithyphallic, while conceding that what appeared to be the exposed phallus could instead be a tassel hanging from the waistband. Most significantly he identified the seal as an early prototype of the Hindu god Shiva (or, his Vedic predecessor, Rudra), who also was known by the title Pashupati (‘lord of the cattle’) in historic times.[SUP][6]](Pashupati seal - Wikipedia)[/SUP] In a 1928–29 publication, Marshall summarized his reasons for the identification as follows:
My reasons for the identification are four. In the first place the figure has three faces and that Siva was portrayed with three as well as with more usual five faces, there are abundant examples to prove. Secondly, the head is crowned with the horns of a bull and the trisula are characteristic emblems of Siva. Thirdly, the figure is in a typical yoga attitude, and Siva was and still is, regarded as a mahayogi—the prince of Yogis. Fourthly, he is surrounded by animals, and Siva is par excellence the “Lord of Animals” (Pasupati)—of the wild animals of the jungle, according to the Vedic meaning of the word pasu, no less than that of domesticated cattle.[SUP][2]](Pashupati seal - Wikipedia)[/SUP]
Later, in 1931, he expanded his reasons to include the fact that Shiva is associated with the phallus in the form of linga, and that in medieval art he is shown with deer or ibexes, as are seen below the throne on the seal.[SUP][6]](Pashupati seal - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][7]](Pashupati seal - Wikipedia)[/SUP] Marshall’s analysis of the Indus Valley religion, and the Pashupati seal in particular, was very influential and widely accepted for at least the next two generations. Writing in 1976, Doris Srinivasan introduced an article otherwise critical of Marshall’s interpretation by observing that “no matter what position is taken regarding the seal’s iconography, it is always prefaced by Marshall’s interpretation. On balance the proto-Śiva character of the seal has been accepted.”[SUP][8]](Pashupati seal - Wikipedia)[/SUP] And Alf Hiltebeitel noted that, following Marshall’s analysis, “nearly all efforts at interpreting the [Indus Valley] religion have centered discussion around [the Pashupati seal] figure”.[SUP][9]](Pashupati seal - Wikipedia)[/SUP]

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still controversial.

There is a theory that people of Indus valley were nature worshipers mainly Jal (water), hence so many wells in Moen jo Daro

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yes,but Mr.Marshall gives a more accurate picture.Lord Siva's all forms can be seen in there.

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But they still have to locate a Shiva Mandir there. No?

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It even lacks palaces,or monuments.

One reason might be that there would not have been temple practise that time.

Or,the long centuries would have made them vanish forever.

They also worshipped natural forces.So they would not have felt the need of a temple.

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connecting question? :khumar:

Which is the most ancient temple in sub-continent? Moen Jo Daro ruins belong to 2500-3000 BC era.

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Bhai,I do not know the answer to this question.I believe there is Cave temple,but I do not know where exactly it is.

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Bhai, this is an interesting question.I wonder which temple that wold be…

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Hinduism doesn't have a prophet and is not a revealed religion. Shiva is post Vedic deity, by that I mean he is mentioned in post Vedic Literature mostly in Puranas. Vedic deities are Devas not Hindu holy trinity. Buddhist religion is younger than Harrapan civilization.

It is possibility that Shiva might have been assimilated in Hinduism when Hindus met with Harrapan, because if Pundas can assimilate Buddha as 18th incarnation of Vishnu, to Shiva ki kya aukad :D ?

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Lol!! In Jatland every old wise man is Called Buddha, like we pronounce in Buddha hoga tera baap, hence Jats are the pioneers in understanding teaching of Buddha even before he was born :D

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:eek:by this theory, is there anything original and not borrowed that forms ideology of Pundas?

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For a person who is not Sindhi, I have heard people talk in Gujarati and it sounds similar to Sindhi to me.

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May be Buddha was used in positive way like 'elder' like 'saint'.

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The religion of the Indus Valley was not Hinduism. Hinduism could have emanated during later stages. Buddhism is as local to the area as Hinduism. While we can see ruins of Buddhist civilisation dating 2000-2300 years, don't know if a Hindu temple that old can be found in Pakistani areas.

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BBC - Primary History - Indus Valley - What They Did For Us

Each ancient civilisation left a legacy to future generations. People pass on knowledge, and retell old stories. They copy and improve technology. Sometimes they imitate ancient art or architecture or clothing.

The Indus Valley people did not leave great structures, like the Pyramids of Egypt or the Great Wall of China. Their cities have almost vanished. Today, visitors see ruins dug into by archaeologists. **Yet long after the Indus civilisation, skills such as trading, farming and brick-making were passed on. Indus people helped shape the later cultures of India and Pakistan.

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Zebu are cattle that were used by farmers in the Indus Valley. The zebu image can be seen on seals from that time.

:rotfl: Zebunisa urf Zebu