Should women be kept from positions of power?

Society Religion & Philosophy
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*Originally posted by echo: *
In 1965 elections for Presidentship in Pakistan took place. The two rivals were Ayub Khan and Miss Fatima Jinnah. All the maulvees were against Miss Jinnah just because she was a female except Maulana Abu Ala Moudoodi (along with the 'Jamaat-i-Islami ). He believed that it was permissible in Islam for women to be rulers and he supported Miss Jinnah.
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That is wrong. Maulana Maududi supported Fatima Jinnah through applying the age-old Islamic principle of picking the lesser of the two evils.

Whilst Maududi maintained that it was wrong for a woman to be the leader of a Muslim state, he also maintained that it would be even wronger for Ayub Khan to be leader of Pakistan (Ayub Khan being viewed as wanting to make Pakistan more secular). He ruled that on that basis, Muslims would be allowed, and indeed would be obligated, to support Fatima Jinnah's campaign for Presidency.

In addition, Fatima Jinnah had apparently assured Maududi that she would restore the full previous power of parliament should she gain power. This assurance that she would only restore democracy (viewed by Maududi as an Islamic ideal) further convinced Maududi that backing Ms Jinnah's campaign was the Islamic thing to do.

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it depends really if u look at Germaine Greer’s work (shes a british femanist)

for ex she describes margeret thatcher with her frothy brows and four inch heels as being the only man in her cabinet (that i have to agree with)

though 52% in Britain are females there are only 2% Mps in the HOP

what shes does say is that women shouldnt have to compromise the way they think and behave to become like men (like Mthatcher) to fit into their envorinment

also my friend was telling me that the Prophet Muhammad (saw) said that though women shouldn’t be the ACTUAL LEADERS they should be involved in politics bcos women have a cunning quality thats quite helpful :hoonh:

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Women in parliment stats:

Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway,
Germany, Argentina, Costa Rica,
South Africa, Mozambique 30%- (Target achieved)
Rwanda 25.7%
Uganda 24.7%
UK 17.9%
US 12%
France 11.8%
Japan 10%

Using the Uk as an example in last 80 years 4,500 MPs at Westminster of which only around 240 have been women (approximately 5%). So much for equality of the sexes in democractic countries!

from islamic point of view The woman being equal to the man, or, the man being equal to the woman is not a significant matter which has influence over the societal life and nor is it a problem which is likely to occur in the Islamic life. It is but a phrase which is only found in the West. None from amongst the Muslims holds this view except those imitating the West, which has violated the womans natural rights in her capacity as a human. Hence, she called for the restitution of these rights.

However, the contribution of the woman is not exactly the same as that of the man. In the sphere of politics, a woman is not permitted to hold positions of ruling such as Khalifah, his Muawin (assistant), Wali (governor),Amil (Mayor) or any other activity categorised as ruling. This is in view of a hadith narrated by Abu Bakrah that when the news reached the Messenger (SalAllahu alaihi wasallam) that the people of Persia had appointed the daughter of Chosroes as queen over them.

Women, however, are granted to partake in any political role outside of ruling, such as appointment in government to civil service where she is considered an employee, or in areas like judiciary in the position of judge where she exercises her own verdict according to her view of the evidence presented in a court of law. She may also be a member of the Majlis al-Ummah which, unlike a Western parliament, is not considered a ruling structure but rather a body that accounts the ruler on his implementation of Islam, monitors him and expresses its disapproval when it perceives that he is not fulfilling his duties with regards to the affairs of the Ummah.

While in the West women had to struggle even until the twentieth century to gain the right to vote for a leader, Islam gave her this right some 1400 years ago.

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ravage, why do you do this to yourself?

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No problem with women in power,
But not in the driving seat of car :smack:

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *

That is wrong. Maulana Maududi supported Fatima Jinnah through applying the age-old Islamic principle of picking the lesser of the two evils.

Whilst Maududi maintained that it was wrong for a woman to be the leader of a Muslim state, he also maintained that it would be even wronger for Ayub Khan to be leader of Pakistan (Ayub Khan being viewed as wanting to make Pakistan more secular). He ruled that on that basis, Muslims would be allowed, and indeed would be obligated, to support Fatima Jinnah's campaign for Presidency.

In addition, Fatima Jinnah had apparently assured Maududi that she would restore the full previous power of parliament should she gain power. This assurance that she would only restore democracy (viewed by Maududi as an Islamic ideal) further convinced Maududi that backing Ms Jinnah's campaign was the Islamic thing to do.
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Good reply. Ayub Sahab used HIS BASIC DEMOCRACY SYSTEM
to defeat MS.Fatima Jinnah.

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i think if a women is truly following the islamic ways and is very pious etc then there's no harm in her being in a position of power, but still i think women somestimes do take a slip and are unable to make decision in difficult circumstances !

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *

That is wrong. Maulana Maududi supported Fatima Jinnah through applying the age-old Islamic principle of picking the lesser of the two evils.

Whilst Maududi maintained that it was wrong for a woman to be the leader of a Muslim state, he also maintained that it would be even wronger for Ayub Khan to be leader of Pakistan (Ayub Khan being viewed as wanting to make Pakistan more secular). He ruled that on that basis, Muslims would be allowed, and indeed would be obligated, to support Fatima Jinnah's campaign for Presidency.

In addition, Fatima Jinnah had apparently assured Maududi that she would restore the full previous power of parliament should she gain power. This assurance that she would only restore democracy (viewed by Maududi as an Islamic ideal) further convinced Maududi that backing Ms Jinnah's campaign was the Islamic thing to do.
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So, if a woman is the better candidate for Leadership she should be elected? Look, i don't know why you people are so blind not to accept that women can also be the rulers. All the muslim scholars think so just on the basis of 1 hadith! even whose being authentic is a bit unsure.
I know most of the women are not fit for becoming leaders but some are, and they should be given a chance. If women can lead in war (e-g when Hazrat Ayesha was fighting against Hazrat Ali in the battle of Jamal) then why not in politics?

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by ak47: *
Women in parliment stats:

Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway,
Germany, Argentina, Costa Rica,
South Africa, Mozambique 30%- (Target achieved)
Rwanda 25.7%
Uganda 24.7%
UK 17.9%
US 12%
France 11.8%
Japan 10%

Using the Uk as an example in last 80 years 4,500 MPs at Westminster of which only around 240 have been women (approximately 5%). So much for equality of the sexes in democractic countries!

from islamic point of view The woman being equal to the man, or, the man being equal to the woman is not a significant matter which has influence over the societal life and nor is it a problem which is likely to occur in the Islamic life. It is but a phrase which is only found in the West. None from amongst the Muslims holds this view except those imitating the West, which has violated the womans natural rights in her capacity as a human. Hence, she called for the restitution of these rights.

However, the contribution of the woman is not exactly the same as that of the man. In the sphere of politics, a woman is not permitted to hold positions of ruling such as Khalifah, his Muawin (assistant), Wali (governor),Amil (Mayor) or any other activity categorised as ruling. This is in view of a hadith narrated by Abu Bakrah that when the news reached the Messenger (SalAllahu alaihi wasallam) that the people of Persia had appointed the daughter of Chosroes as queen over them.

Women, however, are granted to partake in any political role outside of ruling, such as appointment in government to civil service where she is considered an employee, or in areas like judiciary in the position of judge where she exercises her own verdict according to her view of the evidence presented in a court of law. She may also be a member of the Majlis al-Ummah which, unlike a Western parliament, is not considered a ruling structure but rather a body that accounts the ruler on his implementation of Islam, monitors him and expresses its disapproval when it perceives that he is not fulfilling his duties with regards to the affairs of the Ummah.

While in the West women had to struggle even until the twentieth century to gain the right to vote for a leader, Islam gave her this right some 1400 years ago.
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"equality of sexes" doesn't mean giving equal number of seats in parliment, it means giving equal chances for men and women of coming in parliment or becoming a possible candidate.

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echo

either way the facts speak otherwise!

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Agree with that 100 percent… If given the choice I would hand over the universe to a female BUT “drivers seat” NO WAY IN HELL. The bimboos will either do 30 in a 60 mile zone or 60 in a 30 mile zone and makeup at red lights!! Hell!! I have even seen the air heads doing makeup at green lights :smack2:

Sorry ladies, nothing personal!!!