should pakistan play cricket with india because india is now ready to do so?

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I outlined some reasons earlier in another thread that throws light on india’s overnight “change in heart”. and I was humiliated by MR. Extreme to shut up my bikwas and go some where else. well, i agree with him that it is not a political thread but the problem is that there is no way, u can keep cricket separate from india-pakistan political perspective… unfortunately, it is a hasrh reality and if u do so, u may be at the recieving end at end of the day…

The bottomline is that india is trying to defuse international pressure on kashmir issue by allowing its cricket team to go to pak and by starting air and bus service..but india as usual did not mention a word abt kashmir in all 12 suggestions presented by Mr. sinha 2 days ago…india is just trying to get some time and as soon international pressure will decrease, india will again slap on our face by cuttin down all relationships…now we shud ask few questions to ourselves:

shud as a nation we shud go ahead and start playing cricket just because india wants to do so… india can stop playin against us whenever india wants to, india can cut down the air and bus service without issuing any prior notice , india can send our diplomatic staff back home in a week and we as a nation will always have a apologetic attitude?why…“yes sir, we r ready to play because u r ready to play”… “yes sir, we will open bus service becasue u want it to open now”…“yes sir, we will opeb air service now because u cant take losses any more”…wut is this…

please dont think i m emotional… i have been watching all this from a long time…it is not the first time…but now the million dollar question is for how long you can put your national ego and pride at stake? if we always give india an easy way out, he will awlays keep threatning us by repeating same steps again…plus after a long time, pakistan has been able to play a postive role at OIC and saudi arabia and other muslim head of states have given some strong statements against india on kashmir… saudi king’s sudden tour to pakistan was not a joke.. it was a strong message to india and people who are into international politics do understand the importance of such tours…

international pressure is mounting on india to some extent and now you want to play cricket to defuse every thing? just think abt it that why in one week, india has changed its heart… i also luv cricket but i luv my country’s stretgic benefits more than anything else… i believe we shud only open bus service as it helps us also and shud say NO we will not play cricket, we will not open air service becasue u r the one who stopped it… now wait for the right time and lets talk abt kashmir…may be Ehsan, we can have a poll on this issue too…

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nahin, we shud now try to show “nakhraas” and say we dont want to play cricket with them… :rolleyes:

why does politics have to come into everything???

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I can fully understand where you coming from.
And it was very bizaare of the Indian govt to reverse their decision just overnight over the cricket ban.
But as a extreme cricket fan, I just can't help to be excited about a possible test series between India and Pakistan in coming months.

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I feel all this talk of India being under the pressure of Saudis/OIC is a load of BS....

And Phoenixdeshi... if it makes you any happier, India has allowed Pak airlines to use its airspace but Pakistan has not reciprocated...India released all Pakistan POWs of 1971 war but some Indian POWs are still languishing in Pak jails....Indian PM went to Lahore to extend a hand of friendship but Pak responded with Kargil, India asked Pak to handover 20 fugitives, Pak said "Yeah right". So there you go, your ego and belligerance is still intact...HAPPY NOW

I can elaborate further but this is KHEL KHELARI........

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*Originally posted by Some1: *
I feel all this talk of India being under the pressure of Saudis/OIC is a load of BS....

And Phoenixdeshi... if it makes you any happier, India has allowed Pak airlines to use its airspace but Pakistan has not reciprocated...India released all Pakistan POWs of 1971 war but some Indian POWs are still languishing in Pak jails....Indian PM went to Lahore to extend a hand of friendship but Pak responded with Kargil, India asked Pak to handover 20 fugitives, Pak said "Yeah right". So there you go, your ego and belligerance is still intact...HAPPY NOW

I can elaborate further but this is KHEL KHELARI........
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Yeah agree, cuz its the same like your BS

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*Originally posted by Some1: *

And Phoenixdeshi... if it makes you any happier, India has allowed Pak airlines to use its airspace but Pakistan has not reciprocated...India released all Pakistan POWs of 1971 war but some Indian POWs are still languishing in Pak jails....Indian PM went to Lahore to extend a hand of friendship but Pak responded with Kargil, India asked Pak to handover 20 fugitives, Pak said "Yeah right". So there you go, your ego and belligerance is still intact...HAPPY NOW

I can elaborate further but this is KHEL KHELARI........
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The OIC theory is a baloney.

However, some of what you said in your post needs a retort. FYI: It was India who first stopped overflights from Pakistan, halted rail links, stopped the bus service, scaled down diplomatic relations, and deployed its forces along the border. Now India wants to resume airlinks because its hurting India more than it hurts Pakistan. If its not hurting, then let it stay that way for a while. Why not work on the rail links first. Afterall, if an ordinary citizen is to be served, then rail is a much better option. Is it not?

Secondly, why won't India give gurantees that it won't unilaterally cease air links in the future? If they can't gurantee that, why should Pakistan resume airlinks? Only to see them suspend them again in a year or two? No, sir. We're fine without your aircrafts landing in Pakistan, if this is your notion of air relations.

About the POWs: Do you have any proof that they are still in Pakistan? Pakistan has already searched its jails twice for these alleged POWs, but they aren't there. Use some common sense. Why would we want to keep them? Seriously. Other than being a burden on our economy, they also provide another excuse to India for maligning Pakistan. They can't be used for any negotiations, they can't be used for any information. They are no good to us. Why would we want to keep them? You give me one good reason.

If you wanna bring up kargil, lets also bring up Siachin, Neelam Valley, and East Pakistan, shall we? But where will this discussion lead us to? Anything positive? I doubt it.

So bottom line, if you wanna raise these political questions, be my guest. Bring them up in a political forum, and I am sure you'll get satisfying answers. Don't try to look like you are doing us a favor by holding back because you are not.

Edit: Interesting. This thread moved to its proper place while i was editing my post.

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Stop whining. First it was because we won't and now it's because we said we will. I know yours is a new team being built but being scared won't help the process.

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^^ Atleast we are winning at home even though we are rebuliding!

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*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *
Stop whining. First it was because we won't and now it's because we said we will. I know yours is a new team being built but being scared won't help the process.
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Scared? Of what, exaclty? That India has never won a test match in Pakistan? That Pakistan has won 9 tests against india (4 of those IN India)? That India has won only 3 one-dayers in Pakistan, and Pakistan 10? That India has won only 4 one-dayers against Pakistan in India, and Pakistan 10? That India has only won 30 matches against Pakistan, and Pakistan 52, OR is there something else you know that the cricketing world isn't aware of?

Even if you start winning TODAY, you will need to go a long way before you even think about levelling the wins. So I don't know who is scared, but it sure as hell is not Pakistan.

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*Originally posted by Some1: *
I feel all this talk of India being under the pressure of Saudis/OIC is a load of BS....

And Phoenixdeshi... if it makes you any happier, India has allowed Pak airlines to use its airspace but Pakistan has not reciprocated...India released all Pakistan POWs of 1971 war but some Indian POWs are still languishing in Pak jails....Indian PM went to Lahore to extend a hand of friendship but Pak responded with Kargil, India asked Pak to handover 20 fugitives, Pak said "Yeah right". So there you go, your ego and belligerance is still intact...HAPPY NOW

I can elaborate further but this is KHEL KHELARI........
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some1, it was india that initiated the airspace ban to Pakistani airlines, and then Pakistan followed suit. And India took of the ban a long time ago, not in the interests of peace but because of the loss it was causing them, its obvious their main routes have to take long diversions because of this to the west, and PIA has a smaller operating volume, and lesser flights to the east. Jab khud panga liya tha, to sooch samajh ke lena tha, now keep enjoying the losses being incurred.

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*Originally posted by Spock: *

some1, it was india that initiated the airspace ban to Pakistani airlines, and then Pakistan followed suit. And India took of the ban a long time ago, not in the interests of peace but because of the loss it was causing them, its obvious their main routes have to take long diversions because of this to the west, and PIA has a smaller operating volume, and lesser flights to the east. Jab khud panga liya tha, to sooch samajh ke lena tha, now keep enjoying the losses being incurred.
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My intention was to only convince Phoenixdeshi that it was not as if Pak reciprocated to every Indian gesture and that he should not worry about his Paki ego and "self-respect". Whether those gestures were beneficial for India or Pak is out of context.

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*Originally posted by ChthonicPowers: *

That India has never won a test match in Pakistan? That Pakistan has won 9 tests against india (4 of those IN India)?

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I didn't know of these statistics, but could it be because up until 1989 (i.e. I think when India last played Pak in pak ), Indians played against a Pak team of 13 players (2 of them in white coats) when they toured Pak.

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*Originally posted by Some1: *

I didn't know of these statistics, but could it be because up until 1989 (i.e. I think when India last played Pak in pak ), Indians played against a Pak team of 13 players (2 of them in white coats) when they toured Pak.
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haha, what was going on when Kumble took 10 wickets? Please dont blame your miserable record outside of India on some umpires. Even if you have neutral umpires you cant win tests outside. Remember when Aaqib decimated you in Sharjah, you blamed the neutral umpires ;) What happened when Imran took his team to the first ever nehru cup? ;) I see NZ playing well, must be due to the umpires right?

Buzdil

Heroes at home, zeroes abroad!

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*Originally posted by Chic'Power: *
Even if you start winning TODAY, you will need to go a long way before you even think about levelling the wins. So I don't know who is scared, but it sure as hell is not Pakistan.
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With such a stellar record there's all the more the reason for you not to be this jittery Ch.P! If it's not scare what is worrying you then?

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*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *

With such a stellar record there's all the more the reason for you not to be this jittery Ch.P! If it's not scare what is worrying you then?
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first go and handle KIWIS.... wut a slap on india face.....u guys will never find good fast bowlers no matter wut....zaheer kan, nehra, bala jee, munaf and all that crap....nehra is akram, munag]f is lilliee blah bkah and when final the real game approached, INDIA WAS FOLLOW ON by kiwis in their own back yard.... and kiwis dont have shane bond and carins playin...so r we scared to face munaf jee or balajee or khan sahib... ha ha....even i can handle those poor fast bowlers.....go eat some meat so that u can deliver some thing which is really fast...

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tsk tsk. Its ironic that after playing 47 test matches all your team has to show for itself is lame excuses. Not that your inane allegations hold much water(uncorroborated), but even if we do consider them for a moment, then it does that not leave me with any choice but to question the integrity and honesty of Indian umpires. And since you have already labelled these feeble accusations without even looking at the facts, I would like you to go through the following pages for me:

http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=0832
http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=0833
http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=0944
http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=0945
http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=0946

Now tell us all how many of the indians players were adjudged lbw/run out - two of the most controversial decisions? As I see it, most of you kept getting bowled, or getting caught facing the bowling of Sarfaraz and Imran. And those are the least controversial decisions. So you better have do some research before incriminating anyone.

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*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *

With such a stellar record there's all the more the reason for you not to be this jittery Ch.P! If it's not scare what is worrying you then?
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Me? jittery? Not a chance. Did I even remotely mention cricket in my first post? I didn't even read phoenixdesi's first post. Heck I am not even really concerned about cricket with India right now. I was just responding to some of the bogus and concocted accusations against Pakistan. Wouldn't you do the same if I falsely accused India of something? Would that not make you uneasy? And does retaliating to such false accusations, if any, make you scared? If yes, then I would like to know how.