Should forced marriage be illegal?

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That’s because most Desis in this country are Muslim, it’s a Desi diasease not a Muslim one.

I’ve heard of similar cases in Sikh families, a few years ago a Sikh woman was in the news for killing her daughter for adultery.

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yes yes yes.. No one should be forced.. it is against islam but it is too sensitive a topic for mp's to take up.. I wish they would do something about ut

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dude its not just desi

in the arab world is really common

in jordan an honor killer only gets 6 months in jail

this is just one aspect of the uneducated people using religious dogma to justify their tribal and backward nature

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astaghfurallah

how could u beat ur kids to marry som1..ppl these days

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and what kind of fairy tale world have u been living in?

people marry their children off for money, prestige and helping their relatives get visas to come to the west and hope that the family wealth stays in the family by marrying their children off to their cousins

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i dunno bout u..lakin beatin ur kids and gettin them married forcefully just seems wrong to me...:)

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exactly^

...but i think the thread opener was talking about making it illegal by the law of the government in which one resides.

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Just like forced marriages forced laws don't work. These people need to be educated their criteria for"izzat" needs to be changed But who will do it ? You ? Me? No.......We all need to be shaken up from our deep slumber of ignorance Who will do it ?

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^Good question.
Born and raised in Britain, Sharzia was brought to Pakistan by her parents two years ago, mistakenly thinking she was attending a relative’s wedding. But it soon became clear that she, too, was being married off. Though rebellious by nature, sharzia was willing to go through with an arrange marriage, and was prepared to accept that her parents would choose her husband. But on the wedding night, she started to harbour doubts. “Just before, I went on stage I was given a photo of him-and that’s when I got really upset,” she told. He wasn’t my age, he was a lot older and I didn’t want to marry him. I wanted to jump off stage and run away. But I couldn’t for my father’s dignity and pride."
“Within a few days, he started knocking me around, !she says, " He hurt my leg, bust my lip, he smashed a clay ornament into my head. He just started pulling my hair.”
Court Action
Sharzia was rescued by a team from British High Comission, which managed to identify the house where she was being kept a virtual prisoner and arranged to pick her up.
In 2004 the British High Comission in Islamabad has dealt with almost 100 cases of forced marriage- 20% increase over 2003. Only in 20 instances young men were the victims.
President Musharaf has called for women to be better protected.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4075421.stm

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How sad is that. The "first world people" have to rescue us........from us.

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^ And that's why i doubt this will ever go away.. mentality of desis, that outsiders are just "out to get us", they will never take it seriously

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My point is not that any one is out to get us but why can't we face our social issues and deal with them honestly and effectively. Why do these issues get so out of controll that others have to come in!

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^I believe the "Forced Marriage" is so deep rooted that community/Muslim M.P's can not deal with it. And they are depending on EXTERNAL help to tackle this social menace within the community.
Sherezade,
I also have same question:
But why community LEADERS are helpless? Why are they closing their eyes? and what is the role of individuals?

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The department for Education and skills (DfES) have urged schools to take action when a child disappears from school.
Ms Cryer (home office) said,
“I don’t suggest for one minute schools should go over to Islamabad or Dhaka but certainly think they should be handing on information about the girls disappearing to the appropriate authorities".

Here are some core points in Government’s Published GUIDANCE FOR TEACHERS
The teachers have to take following steps:

  • What to do if a student is going overseas imminently.
    *Try to gather as much of the following information as possible, as there may not be another opportunity if the student goes overseas. This information may help the forced Marriage Unit to locate the student and assist to repatriate them.
    *Take a copy of student’s passport.
    *Full name and date of the birth of the student under threat.
    *Their father’s name.
    *Potential spouse’s name.
    *Date of proposed wedding.
    *The name of the potential spouse’s father (if known)
    *Addresses of the extended family in the UK and overseas
    *Information that only the student would be aware of (this may assist any subsequent interview an Embassy in case another person of the same sex/age is produced pretending to be the student).
    *Details of any travel plans and people likely to accompany the student.
    *Names and addresses of any close relatives remaining in UK.
    *A safe means by which contact may be made with the student e.g. a secret mobile telephone that will function overseas. Record the number.
    *Refer to the local police Child protection Unit if there is any suspicion that a crime has been, or may be, committed. Liaise with the police if there are concerns about the safety of the students or the student’s siblings.
    *Refer the student, with their consent, to appropriate local and national support groups and counselling services, if in doubt, consider seeking advice from the Forced Marriage Unit.
    *There are legal remedies that social services can take to prevent young people being taken overseas. These include making the student a ward of court or surrendering their passport or passports (if they are dual national).
    Remember:
    Forced marriage should not be viewed as a “generational or culture clash” that can be solved by mediation.
    Mediation, reconciliation and family counselling as a response to forced marriage can be extremely dangerous. Educational professionals undertaking these activities may unwittingly increase the student’s vulnerability and place them in danger.
    Remember:
    Mediation can be extremely dangerous; there have been cases of young people being murdered by their families whilst mediation was being under taken.
    The warning signs can include:
    1-A sudden drop in performance-“whats the point? I’ll be married next year”.
    2-Truancy from lessons- it provides an escape from virtual imprisonment at home.
    3-Conflict with parents over continued or further education.
    4-Excessive parental restrictions and control.
    5-History of domestic violence within the family.
    6-Extended absence through sickness or overseas commitments.
    7-Depressive behaviour including self-harming.
    8-History of older siblings leaving education early and marrying early.
    Note: further information can be obtained from the FORCED MARRIAGE UNIT (FMU).

If someone is interested can read it (total pages 24):
http://publications.teachernet.gov.uk/eOrderingDownload/FCO%2075263.pdf](http://publications.teachernet.gov.uk/eOrderingDownload/FCO%2075263.pdf)

Now teachers can not laugh it OFF, they would be losing their JOBS. I strongly believe making it a criminal offence would ease teachers, schools, police, social services, REFUGE homes and British Embassies Abroad. Because MP’s can not ensure there wouldn’t be any single case of Forced Marriage in their constituency in future.

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There is a difference between forced marriage and marriage with the consent of the parents and unfortunately sometime we mix both. Forced marriages without the groom or bride consent are not allowed in Islam and whoever is doing that in the name of relegion have no knowledge of relegion. They do it only for their own sake and should be punished for their deeds.

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^They are such desis who really need punishment for their such deeds, just a shame on the name of their religion. There are so many of honour killings because of them in Pakistan.
And making it illegal will serve the right purpose for them. If some of them would be punished then others will get right lesson not to involve in such a crime.
Those hundreds of victim school girls are solely living their lives on the support of UK Gov. desi community can't do any good for them.

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Who are you?

How come you are supporting Forced Marriage? Are you a Muslim? Do you know it's illegal in Islam.
Educating people!
Aren't their Muslim MP's doing this? and Imam of mosques.

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InformedConsent ... did u read what I wrote ? or did u just quote this bit in ? I'd suggest read the whole bit & then comment about it.

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For your kind info have read your views.

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