just above the knee are fine. yup maybe not in current fashion, which is okay, I can make my own.
the redux shorts are nasty btw, did you see how low the crotch drops 
I have enough cargos, they simply dont work for a dressier summer look when shorts are to be worn.
some of my pants will have to be sacrificed. otherwise patrick ervell or thom browne have some but its cheaper for me to buy some trim fit trousers and get the exact length. thanks for looking
reef i dont know, ralph lauren maybe, i called the store and talked to an eager helper who indicated they will be getting some soon. which works fine because it will take a few weeks to warm up.
Banana republic and LLBean have some that may work, but have to go in the stores to try them out. next weekend perhaps