Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
LOL, typical nasibi. click here. been already discussed.
BTW, about shia kalima, do you have problem with Ali (as) being called Wali Allah or is it shia calling him Wali Allah?
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
As I said before, why don’t you use your brain which God gave you and try to argue things in your own words, instead of copying everyone else with copy-paste technique?
The issue is not whether Ali is Waliullah, the issue is why did you change the kalima of the Muslims. Prove your kalima from Quraan or hadeeth, I dare you.
Going by your logic, we should change our kalima to Musa Rasoolullah, or add Eesa Rasoolullah to our kalima?
Our kalima is LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH MUHAMMADUN RASOOLULLAH
We will never change this kalima, either add or delete from it!
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
If Shias are not Muslims then why are you so worried about their Kalima to start of with?
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
If Shias are not Muslims then why are you so worried about their Kalima to start of with?
I don't care about shias or their kalima. I am trying to spread education and open the eyes of my Sunni Muslim brothers, many of them who are under the mistaken notion that shias are muslim, when in fact they are not. I must expose the clear reality of the shia religion so all sunni muslims will wake up and realize the truth, insha Allah.
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
As I said before, why don't you use your brain which God gave you and try to argue things in your own words, instead of copying everyone else with copy-paste technique?
Dude you yourself arent using the gray matter Allah put between your ears. where did i use the copy n paste teqnique?
The issue is not whether Ali is Waliullah, the issue is why did you change the kalima of the Muslims. Prove your kalima from Quraan or hadeeth, I dare you.
Stop running away answer the question I asked you.
Going by your logic, we should change our kalima to Musa Rasoolullah, or add Eesa Rasoolullah to our kalima?
I dont have any problem saying
La illaha ilAllah Musa KaleemUllah or
La illaha ilAllah Easa RoohAllah
do you?
Our kalima is LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH MUHAMMADUN RASOOLULLAH
We will never change this kalima, either add or delete from it!
Since its you who have been claiming that shia have changed the kalima, prove us from authentic source that nothing can be added to the kalima. Show us where Prophet said that today The kalima has been completed.
Oh and do you consider Muawiya kafir too as per your post no 16?
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
I don't care about shias or their kalima. I am trying to spread education and open the eyes of my Sunni Muslim brothers, many of them who are under the mistaken notion that shias are muslim, when in fact they are not. I must expose the clear reality of the shia religion so all sunni muslims will wake up and realize the truth, insha Allah.
Dude! you are one mistaken nasibi! The saudies are the biggest enemies of shia. And even they dont have courage to stop shia by performing Hajj, which is one of the pillers of deen for every MUSLIM. go figure!
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
Dude! you are one mistaken nasibi! The saudies are the biggest enemies of shia. And even they dont have courage to stop shia by performing haj, which is a right to perform every MUSLIM. go figure!
Don't be so sure! After what you shias did in Madinah desecrating the graves of the sahaba and doing your pagan rituals, Saudi government is going to severely limit, if not outright ban shias from doing hajj, insha Allah.
That day will be a great day for Islaam, and great day for the soldiers of Sahaba e Karam.
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
LOL, dream on!
now be a good boy and go back to post no 25 and answer my questions.
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
Dude you yourself arent using the gray matter Allah put between your ears. where did i use the copy n paste teqnique?
Stop running away answer the question I asked you.
I dont have any problem saying
La illaha ilAllah Musa KaleemUllah or La illaha ilAllah Easa RoohAllah
do you?
Since its you who have been claiming that shia have changed the kalima, prove us from authentic source that nothing can be added to the kalima. Show us where Prophet said that today The kalima has been completed.
Oh and do you consider Muawiya kafir too as per your post no 16?
Why haven't you still proven your kalima from Quraan and Hadeeth? Did you know we Sunnis have at least 6 kalimas and we can prove ALL of them from Quraan and Hadeeth. The issue is not about the kalima has been completed, the issue is prove your kalima from Quraan and Hadeeth, otherwise don't call it a kalima. Show me one ayat or one hadeeth which says that Hazrat Ali is "wasiu rasoolullah wa khalifatu bila fasl".
I am waiting until you can produce the proof for this kalima which your mullahs have made. I do not want to talk about anything else until you first prove your kalima, got it?
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
I see you did not answer any of my questions.
Why haven't you still proven your kalima from Quraan and Hadeeth?
again answer my question about completion of the kilima from authentic source. Since you claim it you should also prove that nothing can be added to the kalima. Remember! it was you who wanted to open the eyes of your sunni brothers. So atleast give it a try dude. :)
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Show me one ayat or one hadeeth which says that Hazrat Ali is "wasiu rasoolullah wa khalifatu bila fasl".
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LOL, GREAT! now suddenly you dont have any problem with "Ali un Wali ulla" as being the part of kalima? :D
now again, be a good boy and answer my questions.
BTW I am really interested to know if you also consider muawiya a kafir as per your kuffer fatwa in post #16
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
I respectfully disagree. How can you call those people as Muslim to regularly insult and blaspheme the blessed Sahaba عليهم الرضون ?
How can you call someone a Muslim who insults Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Umar, Hazrat Usmaan, Hazrat Muawiya, and Hazrat Aaisha (May Allah be pleased with them all) ?
Those person who insult sahaba are the worst kaafir in the world, even worse than jews and christians and hindus.
How can we call these people Muslim who regularly praise the people who fought against naib-e-rasool and amir ul momineen, and whose son killed the Grandson of the Prophet (SAW), whose mother killed and ate the liver of the uncle of Prophet (SAW), whose father led all the battles against the Prophet (SAW).
The people who think such a man is a sahabi cannot be called kafirs, because that is not the tradition set by our Holy Prophet (SAW) but MUNAFAQOON. Worse then Kaafirs since kaaafirs wear there belief on them, these MUNAFIQS claim to be muslims, attack other muslims and label them as non-muslims.
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
Prove me from Quraan or authentic ahadeeth that Hazrat Muawiya رضى الله عنه cursed the fourth khalifa. If you can't prove, stay quiet.
Mods pardon my language but what the heck.....
Do you understand the concept of time...
Quran was completed during the life of Prophet Mohammad (SAW) and hadith means sayings of Prophet Mohammad (SAW). you are talking of a time few decades after the wisaal of the Prophet (SAW).....
There are ahadith on the family of Abu Sufyan which present them quite unflaterringly.
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
How did u come up with a fact that the kalma has to be exact words from Quran ?
so if i claim that my kalma is
[FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA]رَبَّنَا آتِهِمْ ضِعْفَيْنِ مِنَ الْعَذَابِ وَالْعَنْهُمْ لَعْنًا كَبِيرًا 33:68
“Our Lord! Oh, give them double torment and curse them with a mighty curse. .— translated by M. H. Shakir”
then r u satisfied ?
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
ppl who fought the first caliph are considerd wajjibul qatl and munafiqeen and whatnot like Malik b Nuwairah was killed and his wife raped by Khalid b Waleed. And ppl who fought the "fourth" caliph are called SAHABIS WHO SHOULD BE RESPECTED. Brilliant!
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
u shld be glad, hinda inst considered umul-momineen.
Re: Shias - please prove your kalima
I do not see this thread going any where.
Plz remember that we see GS as discussion forum and not a debate. And for discussion one always has to keep in mind the possibility that the other party might be right.
G-e-N
I would think taht it will be more suitable for discussion purpose if you pointed out why you find the shiite Kalima objectionable and take the discussion further rather than asking for proof.