Shia-Sunni Relations After Nawaz

Rani, your little friend here queer is the one who barges into every post doesn't let a single chance of bashing Islam and Pakistan go by. Shortly after that he is accompanied by you, coming in this forum with the same intention. If you can't respect other people's believes, ideas, religion, faith, then don't expect it from them either. ** respect is GAINED and EARNED, no one is born with it. ** ** With the way you and queer act, no wonder you don't get any. And secondly let me put something very clearly to you. It has been more than 50 years since Pakistan separated from India. READ MY LIPS 50 YEARS! Move on...haven't Indians found better things to do by now instead of keeping their eyes on Pakistan and degrading Pakistanis. Tells a lot about Indian morals, ethics and values, doesn't it **

[This message has been edited by Rarediamonds & Gold (edited June 11, 2000).]

Rani and Queer,

Some posts don't Deserve to be Dignified with our Interest!!

My Request, let it go....because it Just Isn't WORTH it!!

Thank you all for your responses.

Rarediamonds & Gold: I agree, its unfortunate that we have to divide ourselves and even more unfortunate when those divisions incite violence and persecution. In terms of Indian Muslims being patriotic, I know many who are patriotic. I also suggest you don’t insult others beliefs, its not necessary, reflects poorly on yourself and will only result in them insulting your beliefs.

Queer: Its very difficult for some Pakistanis’ to appreciate the fact that Indian Muslims can be patriotic. With India and Pakistan at war, it’s a slap in Pakistani Muslim’s face to think that people that share their religion would side with their nation and a Hindu-dominated nation at that, over fellow Muslims. And no its not my real picture, its Che Guevara, as pointed out by ZZ

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif

Outlaw: Thanks for your help. I will check the recent editions of Dawn and check the IRB website. I’ve read over some web-sites (nothing reputable) that mention that Musharaf might be anti-Shia. To be honest with you, I think the particular case I’m looking at doesn’t have much merit. I know many Shia’s who are living in Pakistan and practicing their religion with no harm. This will sound a bit odd, but sometimes when I read over these cases and I know the person is embellishing their story, I don’t really care, I still hope they are granted asylum. But IRB isn’t so naïve to believe everyone. For all I know, this guy might not even be Shia.

Rani wrote “queer is merely pointing the discrepancy of Achtung’s behavior and his self serving talk.” He is? I don’t think so Rani, read the ENTIRE post next time. As for the rest of your post, the concept of citizenship today is being challenged on various fronts. For Muslims being a citizen is overridden by their religious convictions. So it would make sense for a practicing Muslim living abroad to pledge allegiance to Allah over their flag. So Muslims in Russia might side with their brethren in Chechyna over their Russian state. The same, you might think is true for Muslims in India. But I think there is no doubting the fact that Indian Muslims are in fact patriotic. I think their patriotism exists for several reason, the major one being, in order to justify their parents or grandparents decision to remain in India, rather than move to Pakistan. Pledging allegiance to India, and justifying that allegiance by pointing out the limitations of Pakistan (as a poor example of an Islamic state) reinforces their belief that their parents made the right decision in choosing to remain in India.

Mr Xtreme: Thanks for your comments, I hope that the situation improves in Pakistan also. You would hope that the military will bring increased security for all groups in Pakistan.

ZZ: Yes it is Che. I couldn’t find a picture of Mulla Omar small enough to use as an icon

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/wink.gif

Eva1921: When Russia entered Afghanistan, Pakistan had a responsibility to take in the refugee population. Since the beginning of the war, 50 percent of Afghanistan’s villages have been destroyed, approximately 1.5 million people killed, some 20 percent of women widowed, up to 500,000 children orphaned and over two million disabled. A staggering one third of the population have been uprooted from their homes, becoming refugees. As many as 2 million children have died over the years in the fighting, or from malnutrition or disease brought on by the conflict. General Zia commented during the war that Pakistan would take in ALL Afghanis if it had to. Not doing so would be catastrophic - I think we can all imagine the genocide, similar to that in Chechyna, at the hands of the Russian troops. The war did bring with it, a flood of arms into the region and drugs to pay for those arms. I don’t think we can blame Afghanis solely for this, after all, the war was fought by two superpowers. And unfortunately, Russia is threatening Afghanistan’s borders once again.

Dehatan: Thanks for your comments and diffusing tensions.

Ullu: I found your comments the most valuable, thanks.

Achtung

Dear RareDiamonds,

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If you are going to make direct attacks and offensive statements at others, their religions, beliefs, faith and question their patriotism and stick your nose in their matters...then you should be ready to justify your accusations and back up your statements.
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if asking you why you have two different standards regarding unity when the countries involved are different, is a "direct attack and an offensive at you, your religion, beliefs, faith and patriotism", i am earnestly sorry. pardon me, coz i thought i had sufficient justification for my query (accusations, if you wanna call it that), given that i had pasted a couple of quotes by you, taking two opposing stands - one for pakistani minorities, and another for indian minorities.

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This is a good demo of respect for others....
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thanx, i'm trying to learn. btw, did you know, anger and hate are haraam? that prolly makes me a better muslim than you, sis. ;-)

Achtung,

didnt know you had a commi streak :) and thanx for understanding..

Rare wrote...>>respect is GAINED and EARNED, no one is born with it.<<

I agree therefore stop using words like stinky ignorant Indians if you want any.

READ MY LIPS 50 YEARS! Move on...haven't Indians found better things to do by now <<

I think we have found lot of better things to do and are doing them, you are a distraction so stop fighting with us so that we can do even better things and so can you.

instead of keeping their eyes on Pakistan and degrading Pakistanis. Tells a lot about Indian morals, ethics and values, doesn't it<<

We don't want to keep our eyes on anybody no desire even to visit Pakistan perfectly happy to keep the border shut forever. I have Indian values that is why I have never used words like Stinky or ignorant to refer to Pakistanis .

[This message has been edited by Rani (edited June 12, 2000).]

Hmmmmm RETURNING to the initial topic of the post…

Achtung..

two quick points..

1- With the general lawlessness that has been in vogue in Pakistan..literally anyone can claim that they are in danger.

#2- Leave it up to desis to use anything at all to try and get into USA.

Are some shias in danger ..probably, some sunnis can claim that too, so can islamilis etc etc.

Back during MQM days, every tom, dick and harry…i mean every ahmed, imran and tariq claimed that they were in danger too since they were MQM activists…
funny bit was these guys became activists for a short time…just to get asylum outside usa

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif

Once they were here, no links to MQM again..life is all good.

as I said desis will do anything to get here.

Posted by Achtung:

I also suggest you don't insult others beliefs, its not necessary, reflects poorly on yourself and will only result in them insulting your beliefs.

Reply:
I suggest you scroll up and read exactly what your question was and my answer to that.

When the rest of the world has entered the millenium and a new century, at times it is so unbelieveable to think that we still have this shia'- sunni issue going around. Islam is Islam. Anyone who reads the Kalima can not be called a non muslim. Unless, they are engaged in Kufarana actions. What our people need to do is to get over dissecting each other's religions and beliefs. This shia' sunni, Sindhi, Punjabi, Pathan, Balochi and so forth conflicts have gone a bit too far. All Pakistanis need to come together as PAKISTANIS regardless of race, religion, beliefs, and work together for the overall benefit and advantage of Pakistan. There are more important issues within our own country and related to our country which needs all this energy and effort which we are wasting on other petty matters.

*this was the original reply to your original question. I can not find where I mentioned anything in it regarding Indians, or where I questioned their patriotism in this certain post. I advice that you pass on the suggestion you have made to me, to your friends, Queer, Rani and Dehatan. They need it more. And secondly, don't bring up discussion of one post into another. Furthermore, I have said all I have and I will not say anything further, due to the fact that ignorance is the worst thing which can happen to anyone. And I don't feel my words are worth wasting at some bulging brains. *