Shia leader arrested over Tariq's death

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Not sure why this thug has been allowed to roam freely and become a source of terror. He should have been dealt with long time ago, and put away.

Shia leader held over killing

By Paul Anderson

BBC correspondent in Istanbul

Police in Pakistan have arrested a Shia Muslim leader in connection with the assassination of a rival Sunni lawmaker last month, amid a crackdown on several Islamic groups.

Tariq’s death sparked anti-Shia riots
Interior Ministry officials say they arrested Allama Sajid Naqvi in connection with the murder of a Maulana Azam Tariq, a leader of an extremist group from Pakistan’s Sunni majority.

They did not say how he might have been involved.

Mr Nakvi leads the Shia militant group Tehreek-i-Islami Pakistan, which is one of several organisations banned by President Musharraf on Saturday.

Most of the groups, Sunni and Shia, had already been banned in security sweeps ordered by the president in the past two years, but they had simply renamed themselves and continued operations as before.

Those include militant attacks in Kashmir and the killing of Westerners and foreign and Pakistani Christians last year.

Rash of attacks

There has also been a spate of sectarian attacks, the worst of them when more than 50 Shia worshippers were gunned down in a mosque in July.

President Musharraf has signalled now he is taking a much tougher line, partly as a result of pressure from the United States.

The authorities closed the offices of a number of banned groups in cities across the country and have moved to expel thousands of foreigners from Pakistan’s religious schools, or madrasas.

Many of these are seen as nurseries for Islamic extremism.

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i am not sure if sajid naqvi was behind the killing of azam tariq but if he was then i can say atleast he did one noble deed..atleast this thug is not killing innocent sunni doctors, lawyers etc

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Again, nothing will come of these bannings. Unless Musharraf decides to ban these groups, and arrest the top leadership, they'll simply rename and keep operating. The government will also need to keep a very close look on the madrassah. In the long run, I'd like to see the public schools taking over the role of providing Quranic and Islamic teachings. Respected Islamic scholars should be hired to impart religious knowledge, and it should not be taught in isolation but with all the other courses offered to other students. So that we can produce tolerant scholars instead of fundamentalists.

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I don’t know :konfused: about the guy(aazam tariq)at all…but i have heard that,he was not a good guy at all:fraudia:

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*Originally posted by Sheraz CT: *
i am not sure if sajid naqvi was behind the killing of azam tariq but if he was then i can say atleast he did one noble deed..atleast this thug is not killing innocent sunni doctors, lawyers etc
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I think the country is safer since a thug and a leader of a terrorist organization is behind bars. After all, if he's involved in the assassinations, then he did break the law, and justice should be served no matter who the person is shia, sunni, ahmadi or whatever,

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yes justice should be served..but we should also not forget that he killed one of the biggest killers in pakistani history..if he was killing the innocent ppl then i would have problem with him

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*Originally posted by Sheraz CT: *
yes justice should be served..but we should also not forget that he killed one of the biggest killers in pakistani history..if he was killing the innocent ppl then i would have problem with him
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You are again missing the point. No one should be allowed to take law into their own hands in the ire of extremism. Secondly, these thugs have not just killed Tariq, but other hundreds of Muslim scholars, and community leaders, all over the country, and their deep rooted terrorist activities started in the late eighties.

Actually, terrorist organizations like the Tehrik-e-Jaffria are the ones who initiated this bloody conflict, when it bombed a religious congregation in Lahore, killing one of the most renowned sunni scholars and nine others. It's about time that they are smashed and put away, including their backers in Iran.

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no..u are wrong..zia ul haq khabees started all this..he is the one who started all this
anyways for your kind info there is hardly any law in pak...everyone knew that this azam tariq was behing so many killings yet he was sittign inn parliament..what law r u talking bout

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yeah blaming on some dead joe bloe is perfectly OK. It's about time that the shias should move against extremists elements within, if they ever want to achieve religious harmony.

Azam tariq was in the parliament since he was an elected member. Contrary to Sajid Naqvi who could not garner enough support for himself to be elected. That's a separate issue. But, it does not change the fact that Sajid Naqvi promotes violence and he is directly responsible of hundreds of murders. Although, I disapprove of any extra-judicial means of dealing with him and his accomplices. He should be held accountable for all the killings and if found guilty, should be awarded appropriate punishment.

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wasnt that dictator in power for i dont know how many years in pakistan..he got a very well deserved death

i just dont understand how a killer can be elected and join the parliament..its a joke

and dont exaggerate bout hundreds of killings..its the shias who are constantly getting killed in pakistan..its such a fact that i dont wana discuss this bogus accusation...plus i dont care for sajid naqvi but if he really did kill the guy then i m happy for him

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So, you are telling me that somehow the spate of killings after the Zia's death could be attributed to him - even though, I doubt that his people bombed Sunni gatherings, bombed people while they were taken to courts for trials, and countless targeted killings in places like central Punjab, Sind and Baluchistan. What's next, Zia was also related to Elvis’ death somehow :D get real man!!

It's about time that you guys should take an account of lingering extremism within your own sect and disavow any activity which breaches law and order. The fact remains that organizations like Tehrik-e-Jaffria and Jaish-e-Mohammad are lead by vicious and branded terrorists supported by Iran - who have killed countless Muslims and Pakistanis.

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you are so ignorant that you sound pathetic..i will let your fellow sunnis tell you what the situation is in pakistan..
bombing sunni gatherings? are you so blind that you forgot that it was a shia mosque that was bombed few months back and killed over 50 namazis..dozens of shia police officers were killed..countless doctors, lawyers, scholers etc have been killed

i have had this discussion with fraudia many times but atleast he admit that both sides are responsible and lately majority of killed are shias..but u are not worth discussing this iwth

its like "ulta chor kotwal ko daatay"

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No point arguing with him Sheraz.

When someone says that "Jaish-e-Mohammad is supported by Iran. ", you know that he is not willing to talk facts.

JM is a deobandi organization and has the same roots as Sipah Sahaba. JM’s Masud Azhar and Azam Tariq were both disciples of Maulana Haq Nawaz Jhangvi. The fact is that the Deobandis have killed many more barelvis and shia than the other way around. Don’t blame Iran for JM. It’s our own local monster that has been left unchecked.

He seems to hint that he has a lot of antipathy towards non-deobandi groups but has a bit of a soft corner for the Azam Tariq like extremists.

Also Gen.Zia created a monster that survived his death. Just becase Zia was killed doesn’t mean he took his favorite terrorists with him. :rolleyes:

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So, Naqvi killed a known terrorist and he goes to jail? Azam Tariq killed hundreds of innocent Pakistanis and he got a job in the National Parliament.

Wah! And outlaw tells us not to take the law in our hands. What other law is their in Pakistan? The law of the jungle?

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Re: Shia leader arrested over Tariq's death

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*Originally posted by outlaw: *

**Mr Nakvi leads the Shia militant group Tehreek-i-Islami Pakistan, which is one of several organisations banned by President Musharraf on Saturday.

Most of the groups, Sunni and Shia, had already been banned in security sweeps ordered by the president in the past two years, but they had simply renamed themselves and continued operations as before. **

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Yes, even though Syed Sajid Naqvi's Tehrik-e-Jafria, Pakistan (TJP) was banned as a terrorist group in 2001, it changed it's name to 'Tehrik Millat-i-Islami, Pakistan', became one of the six component parties of the MMA alliance and stood for the elections. I think it even got members elected to the Punjab assembly?

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Malik, I think it was Islami Tehriq Pakistan that was formed by Sajid NAqvi after a ban on Tehriq e Jafria Pakistan.

SSP.. Milate Islamia

Jaishe Mohammad.. Khuddam ul Islam

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Yes, I think that it also what it is know as. Here are two sources that mention both names:-

Sajid Naqvi’s Tehrik Millat-i-Islami, Pakistan, which was named thus after the government ban on Tehrik-e-Jafria, Pakistan, failed to win any National Assembly seat on the MMA ticket. It could have gone scoreless had one of its candidates, Syed Ijaz Hussain Bokhari, not won a Punjab Assembly seat from Attock in recounting. Bokhari narrowly edged out a PML-QA candidate, who had earlier been declared elected as an MPA. The party was also hoping to win another Punjab Assembly seat where the result had reportedly been held up due to some dispute.](Daily Jang: Urdu News - Latest Breaking News update Pakistan - jang.com.pk)

The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) is under pressure from some quarters in the alliance to expel Allama Sajid Naqvi and his Tehrik-e-Islami party because of his nomination in the Maulana Azam Tariq murder case…

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The hypocrisy of some of the shia members is through the roof. First of all, they should better know that Jaish-e-Mohammad was a terrorist wing of Tehrik-e-Jaffria, and not a sunni organization.

They support all sectarian terrorism activities, as long as they are carried out by the extremist militant organizations lead hardened terrorists like Sajid Naqvi. All, I am suggesting is that it’s a great day in Pakistan when the terrorist criminals such as him are dealt in an orderly manner through law and judiciary. Instead of him falling as a victim of yet another sectarian revenge, it's better to put him on trial for all the crimes he has committed, and make him rot in jail. It’s a great day that the shia terrorist organizations such as the millat-e-Islamia and others have been wiped out. It’s equally a great day for peace loving shias since the militant sunni outfits are also banned.

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The hypocrisy of some of the shia members is through the roof. First of all, they should better know that Jaish-e-Mohammad was a terrorist wing of Tehrik-e-Jaffria, and not a sunni organization.

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Not quite true. Jaish-i-Mohammed was the Sunni militant organisation formed to fight in Kashmir by that guy freed from India during the plane hijack incident a few years ago.

Sipah-i-Mohammed was the terrorist wing of the Tehrik-i-Jaffria.

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Jaish-e-Mohammad was a terrorist wing of Tehrik-e-Jaffria

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

BBC report on the history of Jaish-e-Mohammad

The fact is that when Masud Azhar formed JM, he originally named his group, Lashkar-e-Mohammad. But Azam Tariq adbvised Masud Azhar that this name sounds too much like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. So he changed the name to Jaish-e-Mohammad

Besides we have never had a history where leaders of terrorist groups have been prosecuted by courts for murders of innocent Pakistanis. It has been weeks since Quetta and SUPARCO killngs. LJ even claimed credit for the Quetta carnage. Yet, apart from vague blame on RAW and others, the goernment has done nothing.

This ban is a fraud. After the publicity dies down, everyone will be back on the street with a new group name. Unless we prosecute the terrorist leaders, nothing will change.