Stu, do you really think that after the cold war or division of USSR, US stopped working on the agenda of world domination? Do you think it is the case? Answer this question honestly and we will proceed.
P.S. Above opinions are stated for the sake of discussion. I do not believe in any of the theories that are floating around about 9/11. I cannot let a good discussion pass me by.:)
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Stu, do you really think that after the cold war or division of USSR, US stopped working on the agenda of world domination? Do you think it is the case? Answer this question honestly and we will proceed.
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As the old addage goes, it's harder work staying on top then getting to the top. Having said that, how would starting an "asymmetrical" clash of civilizations have contributed to that goal?
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another lie, quit spouting your fairy tale garbage and tell me what the neo-cons and zionists hoped to gain from starting (and now perpetuating) a clash of civilizations? You won't reply because you can't answer w/out it sounding like a bad joke.
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A control of the world's main oil fields (most of the region has not been drilled yet).
100,000 Square Kilometer of Gold mine under Saudi Arabia.
And offcourse that pure domination of the world by the new Empire.
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*Originally posted by Stu: *
As the old addage goes, it's harder work staying on top then getting to the top. Having said that, how would starting an "asymmetrical" clash of civilizations have contributed to that goal?
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The news speaks for itself, don't see why we have to come on this board and state for you the lies and the results of those lies. Turn on the TV they are there for all to see.
As to why, well thats a question your government has to answer not us.
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As the old addage goes, it's harder work staying on top then getting to the top. Having said that, how would starting an "asymmetrical" clash of civilizations have contributed to that goal?
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Not to get too philosophical on you, but, middle east has been viewed as The last hurdle between wordl dominance and super powers. One who controls this region will ultimately control the world. What better way than having a stronghold in the middle of it all (pun intended). By controlling Iraq, we have a strong influence on the surrounding nations, Iran, Saudi(they were lap dogs to begin with, but still), Syria, Jordan, Egypt, not to mention its one less enemy for Israel. Isarel can now breath easire knowing that there is no power within the region that can challenge its offensives.
I will let you chew on this, before we proceed further.
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Not to get too philosophical on you, but, middle east has been viewed as The last hurdle between wordl dominance and super powers. One who controls this region will ultimately control the world. What better way than having a stronghold in the middle of it all (pun intended). By controlling Iraq, we have a strong influence on the surrounding nations, Iran, Saudi(they were lap dogs to begin with, but still), Syria, Jordan, Egypt, not to mention its one less enemy for Israel. Isarel can now breath easire knowing that there is no power within the region that can challenge its offensives.
I will let you chew on this, before we proceed further.
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Besides the geographical advantage, don't forget all the oil.
Every nation wants to be superpower number 1
The US sees islamic state which is not even reborn yet as the potential superpower that will remove its intrests around the world and replace it as the dominant power. .
The US has military bases around the world for 1 reason only to remain no 1.
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A control of the world's main oil fields (most of the region has not been drilled yet).
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but, middle east has been viewed as The last hurdle between wordl dominance and super powers. One who controls this region will ultimately control the world.
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This is exactly where your logic breaks down. How would placing the blame for 9-11 on a Saudi exile help the US gain control of the middle east. If all the evidence was manufactured, why didn't the hollywood special effects wizards make a "Saddam tape" insterad on an Osama tape and why weren't the "fictional hijackers" made out to be Iraqis instead of Saudis?
Why wasn't a WMD with a "made in Iraq" label used to blow up the WTC?
Essentially, why all the effort de-stabilize the Saud regime? We already control them, right?
I look forward to your replies.
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The US sees islamic state which is not even reborn yet as the potential superpower that will remove its intrests around the world and replace it as the dominant power.
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Yeah, OK... In what way was the Islamic state rising before 9-11? If anything, 9-11 helped align the muslims living in muslim countries with a unified hatred for the US (added to their hatred for Israel). The muslims living in the west are the ones put in the difficult predicament. Why would the US create these conditions? Please connect the dots for me. I look forward to your reply.
Stu, you lumped my quote with Pakidragon's reply. I dont see how your reply is relevant to my question?
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Yeah, OK... In what way was the Islamic state rising before 9-11? If anything, 9-11 helped align the muslims living in muslim countries with a unified hatred for the US (added to their hatred for Israel). The muslims living in the west are the ones put in the difficult predicament. Why would the US create these conditions? Please connect the dots for me. I look forward to your reply.
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FYI, as you know Afghanistan had been in constant turmoil and civil war ever since the Soviet Afghan war. The Taliban regime was the first stable solid government which was able to control things. Even today, the residents there miss the peace that had been brought about by the law and order enforced by the Taliban. Now many people believe that the Taliban was the first true Islamic government for a long time. Now before you start listing the cruel and inhumane things they did, let me just say this. The Taliban was not the evil it was all made out to be. On the contrary they were a just and honest government that caught up in a lot of propaganda. But we are not here to debate that, it would take too long. Now in Afghanistan there is just lawlessness.
As for your questions, I do not claim to be an espionage expert but let me try to explain. Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are all one and the same. They are in the same region and are vital in terms of oil. Plus there were radical elements in each of those countries which were a threat to Israel and thus the US. I can say the same for Pakistan and wouldn't be surprised if something similar happens there in the near future. You see there was no need to have Iraqi hijackers, Saudis would do just fine. As for an Iraqi WMD hitting the WTC, that's too far fetched to even be believable.
You say Islam is now unified in hating the US after 911. Well they were just as unified hating the Israel before 911. BUT before 911 they didn't have to worry about B-52 dropping daisy cutters in their cities and destroying their countries in the name of liberation and anti-terrorism. I think that's a big difference. 911 became a big green light for the US to do whatever the hell it wants because lets face it who is gonna stop them? Not the UN. Not the people especially if national security was supposedly under threat. Tell me how many times have the US declared a yellow orange red purple or whatever alerts on holidays etc. Has anything ever happend? No. Now if you think that your intelligence has suddenly become super efficient overnight then you are naive. No one (out of the so called Islamic fundamentalists) have the means financially or logistically to orchestrate an attack even close to 911. If they did I am sure we would have seen some fireworks by now.
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*Originally posted by Kaleem: * middle east has been viewed as The last hurdle between wordl dominance and super powers. One who controls this region will ultimately control the world.
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You took the words right out of my mouth
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*Originally posted by Kaleem: * By controlling Iraq,
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If you fold the map in half, you'll find Iraq in the centre. Whoever can control the centre, controls the world.
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*Originally posted by Kaleem: * we have a strong influence on the surrounding nations, Iran, Saudi(they were lap dogs to begin with, but still), Syria, Jordan, Egypt,
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They're all (except Iran) European puppet governments. Uncle Sam wants to replace them with a new generation of American puppet governments.
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*Originally posted by Kaleem: * Isarel can now breath easire knowing that there is no power within the region that can challenge its offensives.
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There never was an challenge to Israel in the first place, because Israel is nothing but an American military base.
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*Originally posted by ak47: * The US has military bases around the world for 1 reason only to remain no 1.
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That was America's new doctrine made in the early 1990s as soon as USSR fell. Which stated clearly, that, the US will never again allow another rival in the world.
Whether it's an individual nation or a group of nations, if they have cultural, economic or military edge over America, then they will be confronted and broken down militarily, economically or in any other way necessary.
Look at the European Union, they're trying to build an European Army, European Navy and an European Air Force purely made out of and controlled by Europe. But they're not allowed that without a policy inserted in their charter that states 'all military actions must be taken with the approval of US and Nato.'.
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Stu, you lumped my quote with Pakidragon's reply. I dont see how your reply is relevant to my question?
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Getting back to this Kaleem... My response is relevant to your question because while you summed up the case for why we went to war w/Iraq, (much of which I agree with in principle btw) you failed to address my question of why the evidence was doctored to place the blame for 9-11 on OBL & company? (remember this thread is discussing the widely believed conspiracy in the islamic world that 9-11 was architected by the neo-cons & zionists).
If Iraq was the goal, why not manufacture evidence that blames them? If the Saud family were/are already our puppets, why risk destabilizing their regime? Please explain. Why isn't anyone able to give a reasonable explanation for this?
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I do not claim to be an espionage expert but let me try to explain. Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are all one and the same
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Hopefully, skhan, you don't claim to be a geography or political science expert either. What kind of classes do they have you taking in Missouri anyway?