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The mushrikeen had beards. That’s why Muslims were told to trim their moustaches (to distinguish themselves from them). As far as being clean-shaved is concerned, that’s plain gay (as was shaving’s original purpose) 
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Being clean shaven is gay, but shaving your private parts isn't?
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Nopes. That’s simply hygiene. :rotato:
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These days we have things like soap, hot water, showers, bidets, disposable or washable wash cloths. Doesn't that kinda tell us that things like body hair are cultural and specific to a time?
And if the chin guard beard becomes popular among non-Muslims, will Muslims change to the mutton chops, van dyke or handlebar mustache to be different?
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Since one of the characteristics of a Sikh is trimming the moustache and letting the beard grow (as well as wearing a turban) - which part of this hadith applies?
Being different from Sikhs, or growing the beard and trimming the moustache and looking like them?
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Kind of hard explaining that to someone in the Africa, or a nomadic tribe in a desert, or even to remote villages in the Indian subcontinent.
A universal religion proves a simple set of rules that can be applied equally to any society in the world from the time the religion was revealed to whenever no more humans are left alive.
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There is not an issue if these things are not available for hygiene. But if a religion or set of rules is universal, then it has built in mechanisms that allow for advancements when there are other options. For instance, when there is no water available one is supposed to use sand to clean their hands. If a bidet were available in 7th century Arabia, don’t you think that would have made it to sunnah?
It’s called flexibility. God gave us a brain. If the object is to be clean, why get hung up on centuries old practices?
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such hadith and instructions do not mean that we look to mushriks/non-Muslims and then automatically do the opposite… if they begin praying five times a day then do we stop? if they start performing hajj I suppose we stop making hajj?.. that’d be ridiculous…
instructions to “differ from mushriks/non-Muslims” refers to those things in which they have disobeyed Allah’s commands and/or deviated from the natural human disposition (fitra)
if such mushriks/non-Muslims act according to the fitra or an Islamic injunction then they are to be commended for that… we don’t just do u-turns and act in a contrary fashion every time we come across a non-Muslim “acting Islamically”
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lol … well said :k:
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Thank you.
The reason why I brought what is apprently such a rediculous question up is because a while back I read a lot about the attempts of the Uthmani Khalif to modernise the nation and the army in the aftermath of the Industrial Revolution. In the period from about 1840-1910 there was a lot in internal discord, with various Khalifs trying to change the way things were done, and being accused by the ulema of attempting to be like non-Muslims in violation of hadith to this effect.
For example, military reform.
When a Khalif tried to reorganise the army along the lines of European armies which had defeated it in several military encounters, he was accused of trying to make the Muslim army copy non-Muslims.
Another Khalif attempted to introduce standardised military uniform, and was condemned by the ulema for this because they said it was an attempt to be like non-Muslims.
Even something as innocuous as trying to introduce the bayonet as a weapon into the army led to accusations that the bayonet was a weapon used only by non-Muslims and he was trying to copy them. (bear in mind that through most of the past 300 years before that, Europe was copying new weapons they encountered from the Khilafat such as cannons and guns).
In the fields of educational and political reform, there was a lot of tensions between political leaders and religious leader in the Khilafat. The politicians wanted to change things they felt were not working well to copy the European ways that were more successfully. Religious leaders said that they were trying to make muslims copy and be like non-muslims.
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its really surprising that some people can call themselves muslims and still go againt the words of prophet Muhammad, and worse then that, argue that he’s wrong. may Allah guide you all …
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such hadith and instructions do not mean that we look to mushriks/non-Muslims and then automatically do the opposite... if they begin praying five times a day then do we stop? if they start performing hajj I suppose we stop making hajj?... that'd be ridiculous...
instructions to "differ from mushriks/non-Muslims" refers to those things in which they have disobeyed Allah's commands and/or deviated from the natural human disposition (fitra)
if such mushriks/non-Muslims act according to the fitra or an Islamic injunction then they are to be commended for that... we don't just do u-turns and act in a contrary fashion every time we come across a non-Muslim "acting Islamically"
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what prophet Muhammad has said to do should be enough shouldnt it?
it says in the Quran that whatever the prophet Muhammad gives you, take it. and whatever he forbids you, stay away from it.
also that its not a belivers choice to pick and choose.
can one of you (who think that what the hadith says is absurd) explain to me where you got the idea from that prophet Muhammad would tell you to do something wrong?
all the things that'll lead us to jannah have been told to us. and all the things that'll lead to hell have been told to us.
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^ calm down... please try to read and understand what people have actually written
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Very true…
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I am having trouble understanding the concept that there is only one correct sequence of doing good deeds or following sunnah. The argument that one should not worry about following a sunnah (growing a beard in this case) unless one follows every other command of the faith, implies that growing beard should some how be the last step in completing adherence to Islam. Why? Why can't it be the first? Why can't each of them be evaluated on their own? If someone grows a beard with the intention of following sunnah, I am sure he will get ample reward for that. If that person commits some other sins, he will be punished for those. There is no linear line there where following sunnah should be in a particular sequence or else its meaningless. It actually sounds more like an excuse than anything else.
Although, I agree that each of us who call ourselves muslims, should endeavor to do all good deeds and stay away from bad deeds to be successful. Growing a beard with the intention of following a sunnah is considered a good deed. Masha Allah to those who follow the sunnah.
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Faisal, you summed it up very nicely. :k:
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Nicely done, fasial.
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Asalamualaikum,
i tried to be as clam as i could but seeing people throwing comments here and there not worrying about what they say is really disturbing. especially when those who do that are muslims!