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Did I ever mention anything about the performance of your Team in the finals. All I am saying is you won just one match (which happened to be the Finals when their main bowler was not bowling, And no Murali would not have scored a century, and neither have Youhana and score would have been different with him bowling), doesn't make you a contender for the world Cup. I think Pakistan already is but not on the basis of just last match. I still think Australia is the best team, SA second, SL third and Pakistan fourth. Do you remember when was the last time Pakistan Beat Australia in a One-day match ?

About Saeed Anwar - Well he would obviuosly have made a difference, he is the king of Sharjah. Also where was the powerful attack of yours when you lost two matches against the same SRI LANKAN TEAM ? And yes score of 78 reminds me of our defeat against the Lankans, It also reminds me of a day when we were all out for 125 against Imran's lethal bowling of 6/14, only to win that match when pakistan were all out for 87. But for me most Lethal bowling in the History of oneday cricket will be that of Imran Khan on that day.

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Damn ehsan your quick

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I got a read it quickly before you could delete it. Oh well PAK WON the final with “dankay ke shot pay” It would have been more exciting if there were lil blood on the pitch while Pak was bowling…you know what I mean. Akram and Shoaib tried hard and they almost almost had the bowncer to see some blood on the pitch

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Originally posted by Asif_k:
**You loose two matches against them, win one when their main bowler can't bowl and still think you can beat Australia. Height of arrogance, that too on the basis of just one match.

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Asif I think it was not the fact that Pakistan won but two factors:

  • It was the final
  • The margin of victory and the absolute rout of the Lankan batsmen.

Murali would have made a difference but not 217 runs worth of difference.

SL defeated us in the other two matches, of which they totally outplayed us in the first match and the second well Pakistan lost it rather then SL win it.

After a tournament people only remember who won the tournament and not which team won how many times. An example of this is that during the 1999 world cup the last team the aussies lost to before winning seven matches on the trot to win the world cup was Pakistan. Yet most of the world will only remember that Aussies beat Pakistan in the final, because that is the match which counts. Similarly in Sharjah Pakistan won the match which really mattered.

Having said that I agree that Pakistan would at the moment probably lose to the aussies in ODI. I personally rank Pakistan at number 3 after Australia and SA. But always remember Pakistan is known as a very unpredictable team and can beat anyone on their day, and that is their biggest charm.

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Just admit it buddy you will never admit that Pakistan is a good team even if they beat Australia by 200 runs.

I for sure remember the last time when Pakistan beat Australia, Waqar took six wickets and Pakistan won by 50 runs, the amazing part is that was in England in Natwest Trophy league matches.
The last time the Aussies were all out under 150 was against Pak in Australia 2 years ago.

Finals are the real matches, no matter how badly you will play in league matches but finals brings the best in the team and Australia has certainly proved that against Pakistan on more than one occasion.

If you go back exactly one year ago, when the same 3 teams played in the Sharjah Cup and Pakistan won all their league matches but when onto to loose the finals by 90 runs without our best bowlers (Wasim and Shoaib) none of us complained because better team won the tournament.
Its not fair to say if Murali would have played, SL would would have won.
His record against Pakistan in this tournament has only been good economical wise, he hasn't taken much wickets, he would only reduce 30 to 40 runs and Pakistan would have still won.

If your'e saying that SL didn't win because Muraloi didn't play then you are saying that SL is a one man team and can't win without Murali.

Whatever happend to world record holder Vaas or the agressive Jayasuriya, are you saying that they are no good without Murali.

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Seems like Asif_k has the “one man team” syndrome since India can only win if Tendulkar does well.

Its part of his country’s culture and he applies that to everything else - in this case, SL lost because Murali wasn’t playing.

Awwww, poor Indians dont realize that its only them who rely on one man teams. All because of scarce talent in the country.

Wait till Sept, and if India agrees to play Pak, watch how we smack your Zaheer Khan, Prasad, and Srinath balls out of the stadium and into the next arena.

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Blizz Ignorance, Akif_k.

We will see who wins and who loses. In general the only teams Pak must fear of is
SRI and Austrialia.

“w*Hy is **It thaT* i*F* y*Ou kiLL* a Man in wa*R* y*Ou aRe a hEro,* but
if you k*Ill a maN* out*Side of **War you are callEd a murdeRer *?**”

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Ehsan Bhai - I never said that Pakistan won or Sri Lanka Lost because of Murali’s Absence. All I have said and I am still saying is Had Murali been there, Match would not or may not have been one sided. Sri Lanka is a Good cricket Team and at present they are very consistent, they have been beating India and Pakistan consistently. It was Pakistan’s day at Sharjah and they played very well. But to expect them to win against the mighty Australians/South Africans to become the world Champions is little too much. You have not been able to beat them in last couple of years. Last time I saw a final between Pakistan and Australia/South Africa, It was boring and one sided. Still you say, you can beat them. About Pakistani Team’s Charm, Hey Whed did I deny that ?

Umair Bhai - I always admit it that Pakistan is a Good team but not good enough to beat Australia/South Africa/Sri Lanka in a Single tournament to win it. Please tell me when was the last time you won (or even reached the Finals of) a Tournament with all these three (or at least two of these) teams in them

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. I trust you when you say finals are the real matches and I hope you remember the 1999 World Cup Final and then 2000 Singapore Challenge Cup, Singer Cup. Last Time you played Australia, You were ‘LAWNMOWED’ (a term used by one of your own Journalist). You had tough time in getting one of their batsman out with a bowling attack of 2 W’s, best spinner in the world Saqlain, top two all rounders Razzaq, Azhar Mehmood. Gilchrist scored a centure in 77 balls. And still you say you can beat them. I say.SURE.Go for it pal…Dont forget to comeback on this forum and we will talk about it.

Gandalf - Your comments would have been appreciated If you had not brought up my nationality on this issue. If you have a problem with that you can choose some other thread,but this is a Sports thread let’s discuss sports.

Ali_r - I hope next time you will get my name right.

AK

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I agree with asif here. Our team isn't really at its best these days. We 'clicked well' in the final, but other than that the tournament was nothing to write home about.

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As for Australia, they are difficult to beat, true. But Pakistan can take on South Africa anytime like Umair said. The last final was pretty good too, with Imran nazir clicking...

So the real threat for Pakistan is Australia. But keep in mind that we can beat them. Asif Iqbal today in 'The News' pointed out that Pakistans are the best of the best if they play like a team. They proved that in Sharjah too.

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Yeah, I don't think South Africa is in the same league as Australia anymore, they have sunk their performance level since their performance at home, they have dropped their key players just to match with the Aussies.

One thing I said it before and Iam going to say it again, the way Pakistan bowled and batted in the final, no team can beat them.

Read my statement crefully this time.

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Well Smart to aap ho, That you read my mind. you can think whatever you want, I dont need to explain myself.

That’s true with every team, isn’t it

Dont count their overall record, They have become a good team since 1996. You can check cricinfo for their records in last 4-5 years.

I dont think this is a discussion about India having beaten them, But If you insist I can bring you the links wher India has beaten Australia and South Africa in a Single (in 2000, and not in India) Tournament, which pakistan has not done in last 2 years

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When did you see a Final last time between these two teams (must be Sharjah and two years ago and it was pretty close you won by 16 runs) - Did you see any tournament between SA,PAK and SL in 2000 july. Pak didn’t even reach the finals,

Read my last post again - In how many of those tournaments at least two of SL/SA/AUS were there ?

Once again you are giving the same excuse (which you accused me of that murali was not there in SL loss) and I dont know which Singapore Challenge you are talking about, The one I am talking about had Waqar as Captain - http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2000-01/OD_TOURNEYS/SPOREC/SPOREC_AUG2000_PAK-SQUAD.html

That would be a Half Century.

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**So far every topic you have discussed with me on Gupshup, you always went on to change it, first you said Pak won only beacsue Murali didn’t play and now you’re saying Gilchrist scoring a century that has never happend.

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No, I haven’t changed it, You assumed, like always , that I have changed it. I still say you won when Murali was not around (you assumed that I meant you would have lost, That’s your problem not mine). On the same note.l I can also say that you just now said Razzaq was the captain for Singapore challenge, but it was Waqar. You also said that you dont give excuse for you loss, but you just did. So you know NIT PICKING isn’t going to help. You have to understand to read between the lines.

PS:- SA may not be in the same league as Australia but They just won the VB Series (in Australia) by beating both Australia and New Zealand. Do you remember when was the last time Pakistan won a Tri Series in Australia ?

AK

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Dont count their overall record, They have become a good team since 1996. You can check cricinfo for their records in last 4-5 years.

Yeah they have become a much better team they were 10 years ago, but to put to put them as better than Pak is ridiculous.

*When did you see a Final last time between these two teams (must be Sharjah and two years ago and it was pretty close you won by 16 runs) - Did you see any tournament between SA,PAK and SL in 2000 july. Pak didn't even reach the finals, *

wining is wining is either you win by 1 run or 217 runs, we were the better team.
Yeah we played badly but you were the one who said Pak lost to SL in Singular cup.

*Read my last post again - In how many of those tournaments at least two of SL/SA/AUS were there ? *

All those tournaments I mentioned involved Srilanka in the finals.

Australia we played them twice and lost.

South Africa, we played against them in 3 tournaments, and won 1.

** That would be a Half Century. **
Thanks for admitting that you were wrong.

Asif once again it looks like you always look at the times Pak has lost which is really few and always brag about them but never say anything about when we win.
Isn't that a little ignorance on yourself.
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I never made any excuses, the singapor tournament was nowhere broadcasted on t.v, it was like playing cricket in sharjah 25 years ago.
I never said we only had B team players, both teams send their players who made their debuts were looking to be in good form, Waqar just came back from his big break and Saeed Anwar was the only good player, everyone else were youngsters.

ok. this is your actual statement, I am not assunimg
Ehsan Bhai - I never said that Pakistan won or Sri Lanka Lost because of Murali's Absence

you next statement
*You loose two matches against them, win one when their main bowler can't bowl *

please tell me they are the same and Iam not assuming.

*PS:- SA may not be in the same league as Australia but They just won the VB Series (in Australia) by beating both Australia and New Zealand. Do you remember when was the last time Pakistan won a Tri Series in Australia ? *
I remeber the last time Pak won in Australia final, Carlton United Series in 1997.

Do you ever bother to read my post or you just what comes to your head, your just a waste of time to talk to and most of the time you never make sense and make stuff up, I know you hatred toward Pakistan but saying things that isn't true and being ignorant isn't the way.

Other Indian Guppies in this form knows right from wrong and always give credit when its due and debate when one of us are wrong.

You just do want to accept the fact the Pakistan is a good team.

Others are getting tired, so Iam ending this topic, but you can babble on if you like.

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One sentence describe this person Asif_k

"bhainse kay agay been baja nay ka koi faida nahi"

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Originally posted by Spock:
**As for Australia, they are difficult to beat, true. But Pakistan can take on South Africa anytime like Umair said. The last final was pretty good too, with Imran nazir clicking...

So the real threat for Pakistan is Australia. But keep in mind that we can beat them. Asif Iqbal today in 'The News' pointed out that Pakistans are the best of the best if they play like a team. They proved that in Sharjah too.**
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Hey Spock thats what Tony said in the final while commenting, that he would love to see these speedsters in Australia taking on Aust.

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Are you sure Adam Gilchrist of Australia has never scored a century against pakistan in a oneday ??? Well then this report from Cricinfo must be wrong :-

Australia in Pakistan, 1998/99, 3rd One-Day International

Gilchrist - 100 (of 104 balls, 12 4’s)

Go and read my posts on this thread when Afridi was on fire against New Zealand. I always admit that Pak is a good team. If this simple thing can’t gt into your mind then I cant help it.

Are you sure never said that you sent a B team ?? well this is what you said Singapore Challenge, I can’t beleive you watched that tournament, bother teams sent their B team players to play with 1 or 2 real players, the team was captained by Razzaq. So either go and edit your previous post or accept that you said it. Also you are giving another excuse here that ‘Waqar was back from his big break…and everyone else was a youngster’ Well Ijaz was there mushtaq was there , Razzaq was there and I dont think it was a young team. Even If it was , But that means you are using it as an excuse to defend your loss.

Well let’s see :-
I said

  1. Gilchrist scored a Century in a particular match, when you pointed that it was a half century, i accepted that it was a mistake.

You said

  1. You never give an excuse for pakistan’s loss - You just did at least twice on this thread
  2. Razzaq was the captain in singapore challenge - That was incorrect and Waqar was the captain
  3. Gilchrist never scored century against pak in ODI - That is also incorrect
  4. You said B teams had gone to Singapore - you deny it
  5. You accuse me of not accepting Pakistan as good team - you are wrong - I have conveyed my feelings at least 3 times.
  6. You accuse me of many things call me names ..now what is this pal..you can leave the discussion I am not forcing you or have me banned If I use my Hate mongering here on this thread. But prove it first.

If You simply want me to accept that Pakistan is the best team in the world - Please say so. I would leave the discussion and you can continue living in your dreams.

PS :- I have more regard, love and affection for many pakistani players than you will ever have for any Indian player.

AK

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Yeah I can tell you have some egard for some of the players but not for Pakistan and those player play as a team and that team is call Pakistan Team.

“samajh dar kay lye ishara kafi”

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Originally posted by Question:
**One sentence describe this person Asif_k

"bhainse kay agay been baja nay ka koi faida nahi"**
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Is that the best you could do ? After being caught red handed while trying to misinform us and then you got so frustrated that you had to resort to calling names ?

Common you can do better, you have proved it so many times.

AK