Perhaps it'd be a good idea to stop fretting over some 'posters' and people's opinions and just talk politics (or them ideologies) in plain and simple words, if you really have to.
IK and Nawaz had been exchanging 'jokes' with each other since way before some posters' birthdates. Big blooming deal! I see no point in screaming shock horror and acting so unnecessarily surprised over such things. It is what it is.
madam jee.....aka mam shireen mazari of GS....aap kiyon khafa ho rahiee hain!!! mai koi twadi majj khol kay lai gaya hoon?... now ask uncle qureshi for translation! and oh yeah, uncle ehsan can also help!!! he is a big shot now director of GS but still understands punjabi really well.....
IK and NS may have been exchanging "jokes" for last 250 years (per your claim) but let me tel you something....their supporters have been doing nothing but yelling screaming, cursing, abusing, beating, screwing and bad mouthing each other ..... plus supporting their respective leaders no matter what they say or do ......twisting logic to no end to support their leaders.....and these supporters are now in shock to see their leaders smiling hugging and kissing each other.....many had a heart attack!
Let us say Imran Khan was wrong. Fine. But then why prime minister drove to Bani Gala?
Let us say the PM went to Bani Gala to tell Imran that you were wrong. Fine. But then how come the PM said after the meeting that government and the PTI are on the same page?
Let us say both parties are wrong. Fine. But then why military is stilling toeing government's line and not telling it that it is wrong?
sir jee tussi baghawat linknay pay zor rakho....much better for you and for us!!!
i was not trying to be funny janab.....i was making a simple point that supporters shd support ideas not personalities....
and where did i say IK was wrong, or PM was wrong, or both were wrong, or army was right....or army was wrong, or IK was right....wrong right right wrong, wrong right wrong wrong right.......ahhh I am so confused.....so what was your point?
mai aik haqeer aadmi hoon with a very low IQ...please janab danishwar sahib meray par reham karo....dont confuse me so much...pleaseeee!
sir jee tussi baghawat linknay pay zor rakho....much better for you and for us!!!
i was not trying to be funny janab.....i was making a simple point that supporters shd support ideas not personalities....
and where did i say IK was wrong, or PM was wrong, or both were wrong, or army was right....or army was wrong, or IK was right....wrong right right wrong, wrong right wrong wrong right.......ahhh I am so confused.....so what was your point?
mai aik haqeer aadmi hoon with a very low IQ...please janab danishwar sahib meray par reham karo....dont confuse me so much...pleaseeee!
You can disagree with me or the whole world, that's your right. I respect your opinion but it does not mean that I cannot counter it. I may be wrong, so could be you. When we debate, we exchange notes. And if debaters are not biased, they can pick the good notes and ignore others. It's not about who convinces the other, it's about arguing for what you think is right and what you believe is wrong. And at the end, it's about concluding the argument gentlemanly.
Taaruf rog ban jae to us ka bholna behtar
Taluq bojh ban jae to us ka torna acha
Woh afsana jise anjam tak lana na-mumkin ho
Use ek khubsorat mor de kar chorna acha
There is no risk in posting such pictures here and there is nothing in this picture , Any one should be ashamed , The story has been published many times , A good story of good friends . Not bad to post . There are much other stories of friends of the Past and now , the heroes of this thread but great risk to post .
You can disagree with me or the whole world, that's your right. I respect your opinion but it does not mean that I cannot counter it. I may be wrong, so could be you. When we debate, we exchange notes. And if debaters are not biased, they can pick the good notes and ignore others. It's not about who convinces the other, it's about arguing for what you think is right and what you believe is wrong. And at the end, it's about concluding the argument gentlemanly.
Taaruf rog ban jae to us ka bholna behtar
Taluq bojh ban jae to us ka torna acha
Woh afsana jise anjam tak lana na-mumkin ho
Use ek khubsorat mor de kar chorna acha
theek hai janab!
where did i insult you by the way....i humbly requested to enlighten me about the connection between my post and your response....and conceded that i am not a very smart guy with a low IQ... in my post, I was making a simple point that supporters shd support ideas not personalities....and in your response you started GMAT/LSAT's critical reasoning exercise.......if X is right then Y is wrong...and if X & Y both are right then Z must be wrong......
Azizi, I did not say you insulted me. You have been very polite
As far as supporting ideas is concerned, by which I guess you mean ideologies, even this is not as simple as it appears to be. For instance, as I mentioned earlier, I do not agree with IK’s stance on the TTP and despite supporting him, I wrote a critical piece against his policy. But I believe that his overall efforts for a clean, transparent and efficient government are worth appreciation. In a way this is in agreement with what you said earlier in your post#13, that: “(by the way you can support a leader for one ideology on a certain topic but oppose him for another ideology on another topic)”. My point is that opposing a leader for one point should not mean to discard him altogether. And, if we go by your understanding further, let me say that I do not see my friends from the PPP and from the Noon League to criticise their parties for any ideology whatsoever. Unless it means they are right on everything under the sun.
And, if we go by your understanding further, let me say that I do not see my friends from the PPP and from the Noon League to criticise their parties for any ideology whatsoever. Unless it means they are right on everything under the sun.
oh yeah.... friends from PPP, PMLN and MQM are equally culprits of personalities worship, if not more ...i mean who can beat PPP jiyalas when it comes to the personality worship or MQMs matwalas who will support altaf not matter what he says....yes there will be core workers in every party who will be emotional supporters no matter what but millions of masses especially the educated ones shd support ideas/ideologies and not the personalities
i dont reflect much on other parties because i am mentally aligned with PTI and was an active supporter/worker 2008-11 but got disappointed with khan's one dimensional policy on terrorism...
Nah I don’t need any uncle’s help. I know majj means bhens and bhens means buffalo. Mai theek keyya na?
Who cares, allow them crazy supporters. It’s Nawaz-Imran meeting not India Pakistan cricket match where one should look out for symptoms of heart attack and you know what PD, I’m so glad that you are doing well and you’ve survived this meeting man.
In all seriousness, it helps when leaders show basic respect and courtesy to each other in their very face to face personal interactions, such little gestures sends a powerful message of political tolerance and reconciliation. It’s okay to have difference of views, propose different policies, have heated debates and hold strong opinions in a democracy, but at the end of the day, its just politics not war and matter of life and death. I give PMLN ful credit for not turning Lahore into another Karachi, Imran held some seriously big and loud rallies not so far away from Shahbaz Sharif’s residence and I cannot thank God enough and appreciate PMLN big shots for not introducing MQM style targeted and never ending industrial scale political violence in Punjab. Considering the kind of support PTI has in PMLN dominated Punjab, it’s important that these leaders keep their passionate supporters from crossing the lines.
i dont reflect much on other parties because i am mentally aligned with PTI and was an active supporter/worker 2008-11 but got disappointed with khan's one dimensional policy on terrorism...
This is the predicament I was trying to highlight. I also have been supporting PTI and flew to Lahore on May 11th to vote for the party. But I do not feel aligned with IK's stance on the TTP and I have been questioning it openly instead of closing my eyes and shutting my mouth. In this case, we both support PTI but speak against its policy on terrorism. My main complaint is that followers of other parties never go against their leaders come rain or shine. This kind of attitude is detrimental to the true spirit of democracy.
The other question is should we leave the party for one issue, disregarding the standing of the party on other issues where it is right? Imran's pledge for a transparent and efficient government remains intact as we see it in KP. Only yesterday he warned his entire team to pull up their socks or get ready to leave the government. Do we hear the same thing from Zardari on PPP's performance in Sindh? Had ANP voiced the same? MQM has been in power for over a decade in Islamabad and in Sindh. Fazlur Rahman ever told his men to leave any government for poor performance?
This is where PTI stands tall and that's why I am willing to give it the benefit of doubt. Having said that, yes I would want IK to change his stance on terrorism.
*"It's the same each time with progress. First they ignore you, then they say you're mad, then dangerous, then there's a pause and then you can't find anyone who disagrees with you"
*If I ever decide to write a book on Imran Khan, I will open the chapter on War with the quote above.
*"It's the same each time with progress. First they ignore you, then they say you're mad, then dangerous, then there's a pause and then you can't find anyone who disagrees with you"
*If I ever decide to write a book on Imran Khan, I will open the chapter on War with the quote above.
RIP Tony Benn!
Good idea , I can write one in Urdu and you definitely in good English
*** sheshay kay ghar main baith kar dosroon par pathar mat phainko *****
