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it is about water in kashmir. bangaldesh separted despite being muslim.
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You’re defining India’s interest in Kashmir. I’m Pakistani, so I would tell you why we want Kashmir. Simple.
Bangladesh was never occupied by force.
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even indian muslims cant buy land in kashmir and kashmiris should expolit
their water resources for their own benefit no non-kashmiris should take
away their wealth .
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Folks we are discussing Shaheeds not Kashmir. Stick to the topic.
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ohhh and India’s trying to liberate Kashmir, right? 
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Verizon, I guess it depends on what side of the fence of political issues the religion of the person writing the bio is on then.
I thought only a person working for God or for the good of a religion could get a religious title or is that only in the Catholic religion? Genuinely curious, not being sarcastic.
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Pakistan adds the term Shaheed to its Muslim war dead on the basis that any military activity Pakistan engages in is jihad - the assumption made is that to serve Pakistan is to serve Allah. The assumption behind that is that any military action Pakistan does is in the interests of Islam.
The attitude is probably best summed up in the Arabic motto from the Quran of the Pakistan Army’s 28th Cavalry Regiment - “And strive for Allah’s sake with all the effort He deserves”. The officers and men of the regiment and the Army as a whole are encouraged to believe that that their peacetime and military activities are all done for Allah, rather than their country.
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^^ But isn't Pak Army mis-construing facts for personal gain/allegience. Regarding the arabic motto of 28th regiment, its a motto, just becasue its written in Arabic doesnt mean anything.
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What is it misconstruing? I do personally believe that what’s good for Pakistan is good for Islam and the Ummah as a whole- so I genuinely believe that Pakistani war dead are shaheeds.
After all, the dead in the war against India in 1965 died defending a Muslim people from attack by a predominantly Hindu army.
And the dead in 1971 died trying to fight against fitnah and the invasion of Muslim-populated lands by a predominantly Hindu army.
The dead in Kargil died fighting the occupation of Muslim populated land by a predominantly Hindu army.
All these are cases are serving Islam and Allah, through the means of serving Pakistan.
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So Pakistani army is not defending Pakistan but Islam? So if Iranians attacked Pakistan or Afgans attacked pakistan since it would be muslim against muslim who will be shaheed?
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Three from Sahih al Bukhari:
The Prophet (saw) said: “Whoever is killed protecting his property is a martyr (shaheed)” (3:660)
The Prophet (saw) said: “No one who dies and finds good with Allah would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr (al shaheed) who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom (al shahada), would wish to come back to the world and get killed again.” (4:53)
The Prophet said: “He who dies of an abdominal disease is a martyr (shaheed), and he who dies of plague is a martyr (shaheed).” (7:629)
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Ok, it seems whenever bringing up Pakistan's record on persecuting religious minorities, Pakistan is secular. But dying in a war or battle for Pakistan while enlisted is a "holy mission" because advancing Pakistan is advancing Islam.
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confused. Please explain why it is secular in one instance and epitome of Islam in the other.
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^ Pakistan is not secular. Atleast for right now. Can't say anything about the future though. Busharraf and his degenerate thugs are trying their best to convert Pakistan into a secular nation.
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^^ I hope they succeed. 
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many muslims in indian army also died defending.
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When Iraq attacked Kuwait, most scholars who’s views I read on the situation stated that the religious duty was the fight against the aggressor. So the Righteous cause would be with the defending party.
In the scenario that you described, Pakistan would be the righteous party.
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They died in a nationalist, rather than religious, cause.
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Are there any Muslims in Indian Army?