You must have me mixed up with some other Kashmirigirl...who told you I was any fun?
mmmmmm nope agree and disagree with you here dev (happy?) we are talking about sex..just using religion to justify every argument…which then makes it totally acceptable in Religion.
Anyways there is a limit to how often people can repeat that sex is bad in Islam spiel... we need to get on with the discussion ..if there is anywhere else this can go.
so...let me get this straight...some people think that it's fine to do everything (ala Bill and Monica) BUT have sex?
What gives?
If we agree that in Islam anything physical btwn non-maharams is wrong. So it isn't just sex but hand holding, kissing, cuddling, etc...all is a sin...If you’ve taken one step..why stop?
[This message has been edited by kashmirigirl (edited August 02, 1999).]
Kashmiri: You're right on that. In terms of a definition, Fornication is Fornication.
I see it the same way, kissing = sex in terms of sin. Premarital ofcourse. Now in terms of Punishment in a State that follows the Islamic Shariah, if one was to be caught kissing before marriage, would he/she be lashed 50x (isn't that what it is for sex premarital sex?) as well? If that's the case, then in one example where a couple loves each other and are intimate yet no sex. Why wait? It's the same amount of sin, and if you're willing to burn in hell for your love, might as well make love, no? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Islam should be updated, nor the Quran (like the certain few in this group). It's happening everywhere, why stop at sex though? I'll stop typing, I'm repeating myself :)
but but ... i like giving a girl a peck on the cheek .. i like holding her hand as I stare deeply and pointlessly in her eyes ... i like touching her face gently and playing with her long beautiful hair while she speaks softly .. i like cuddling with her on the couch late night ... NO tech-boy !!! it ain't NOTHING like the first cigarette.
Jawan - still waiting for answers to questions 1 and 2. Also, what was your point ?
Dev "why indeed" Uchka.
ps: And KG - no matter what you discuss, someone will always bring in Islam. The discussion will be more appropriate for the Religion forum if we start discussing Islam's position on SEX. Right now, we're discussing sex's position (excuse the pun) in the society - big part of which is Islam.
This topic is widely discussed, I think we all know what is right and what is wrong so why repeating the same stuff again and again. What I can say is ... if u are muslim then u should read (& understand) Quran, then follow it. If u have done mistakes then repent Allah is great most merciful he will forgive u.
Most of the people who haven't done it are obviously curious about it, well its not a big deal, just wait and u will do it but do it the halal way ... get married. I hate those guys who say it that they are doing it because they are practising it ... its a lame excuse.
Since a lot of us cannot justify SEX before or post marriage we tend to use religion excessively in trying to defend our point.
All I want to say is that regardless of what anyone says, Religion, including Islam is between the lord (Allah) and his subject (Muslim) and not the entire state or anyone else. No one has the right or the authority to tell another about right and wrong. What a person chooses to do is their concern only. Lets keep it at that as those who say that sex pre marriage is forbidden in Islam, do many other acts (not related to SEX) that too are forbidden in Islam. Let us not be hyprocrates about this whole affair.
You decide what is right and wrong for you as you alone are answerable to a higher power.
Alitechno Please shed some light on* light na hi dalo to behtar hai, saying is "Rang ta e mah gora, khwand ta e gora" and i would say "khwand na e maza ziyata da",
This may sound starnge but des mein sub karne ko taiyar, or pardes mein sub inkari or nemaaz roza, mai ne zindagi mein pehli bar porae rozae oor 5 nimazein pardes mein hi rakhe, in my personal view jo shaks apni azar band ka bhooj apni kamar par bardasht na kar sake wo mard nahi, baqi sub apni amal ke khud zema dar hein. shaista
I heard t*hat first sex is a unforgetable
experience.*
very true