Without going into details which are quite common and known to you all, must know this,,,,
Secularism should not be related to religion or Pakistan oriented
Matters of history are available when Allah's Prophet Mohammad PBUH and his Companions (May Allah Bless their Souls) were in situations of secularism. YES they fought wars,,but for a different back drop.
If Pakistan was created in the name of 'Islam' then why secular 'WHITE STRIP' was given a special space/mention on its National Flag? Did we all failed to understand our peers and founder/s ?
It is absolutely disastrous NOW if you fail to understand the vital plasma of secularism running in your veins.
And what will happen if we say YES to secularism ? ,,,, for help compare it with Democracy & Dictatorship ( Pakistanis should know this quite well)
I believe many arch enemies and angry neighbors will live happily in a new era.
Why? They have no problem living in west where 'secularism' is not forced down the throat.
Then why do you call it a hoax??? So, According to you its a hoax along long as you are in Majority and it is valid only when munafiqs like you are in minority.
teddy, If muslims live in fear in India, why do muslims from Begalistan migrate to Kaffirland??? To get butchered or to make a living.
And how many Indian Muslims have seeked asylum in Pakistan or knocked the door of Pakistan embassy in Delhi??? Can you quote any numbers??
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How do you expect any one to pick up their bags and depart on another grand migration towards Pakistan aur Muslimistan? They rather get locked into a 20 Footer Container sea bound to some where, die at sea or arrive
into the clutches of their previous masters.
Its a matter of accepting the facts (Muslims in India) will never look towards Pakistan with brotherly look. Its a matter of History of deception, double-crossing, abandoned feelings etc etc,,, You know history, Right ?
You can easily know on the door of Pakistan Embassy in Delhi. They will be more than happy to display that Muslim in media and welcome him/her in Pakistan…
And Muslims from Bangladesh have been illegally migrating into India in massive numbers…why dont you see any Muslim from India migrating to Bangladesh just like Bangladeshis do in India?
^ yanmahaguy,,,,You are mixing up very basic thesis of facts;
^ You'r quoting "Economical Refugees" migrating towards greener pastures (India) nothing to do with religion and priorities (when there is no food in your stomach you don't choose your platter)
Pakistan is in a dire situation in terms of Economy & Resources hence not a very attractive destination for many such migration.
I Told you ^^ before, Indian Muslims have a very different mindset about Pakistan.. Ask Mr. Javed Akhter and he will tell you how much they hate Pakistan more than any Indian does, and how much they Love India little less than how much Hindus love India.
I think Muslim Indian will never let the truth out which might spell their death warrants in India. (Secretly they celebrate, wish well and hide Paki flags in their homes - I guess)
And you know what ? Despite all the razzmatazz of Politics and regional unrest , Pakistan is a sovereign state and has every potential to grow stronger and polarize its economy and people. YES! It looks like an uphill struggle to reach those goals. However the the troubles have not peaked yet to expect any decline and then speedy recovery. But sooner inshallah!
i can produce similar or even worst stats of communal riots against certain ethnicity in Pakistan. Will that prove India a better country in comparison for those ethnicity? If you want to look at whether India is worst for muslims or not, tell me how many muslims migrated from india to Pakistan between 1960 to 1992, the same time when worst crime was happening against them.
^ yanmahaguy,,,,You are mixing up very basic thesis of facts;
^ You'r quoting "Economical Refugees" migrating towards greener pastures (India) nothing to do with religion and priorities (when there is no food in your stomach you don't choose your platter)
Pakistan is in a dire situation in terms of Economy & Resources hence not a very attractive destination for many such migration.
I Told you ^^ before, Indian Muslims have a very different mindset about Pakistan.. Ask Mr. Javed Akhter and he will tell you how much they hate Pakistan more than any Indian does, and how much they Love India little less than how much Hindus love India.
I think Muslim Indian will never let the truth out which might spell their death warrants in India. (Secretly they celebrate, wish well and hide Paki flags in their homes - I guess)
And you know what ? Despite all the razzmatazz of Politics and regional unrest , Pakistan is a sovereign state and has every potential to grow stronger and polarize its economy and people. YES! It looks like an uphill struggle to reach those goals. However the the troubles have not peaked yet to expect any decline and then speedy recovery. But sooner inshallah!
What Pakistan is and what Pakistan will be is none of India's business. My comments were about secularism and I'm not promoting it to Paksitanis. All I said was, it is a boon for muslims who live as minorities.
I agree there is a minor minority among Muslims of India, that might have a soft cornor for Pakistan. Those who believe in Muslims as one nation as one Ummah.
But, normal majority has their loyalty towards the India. A normal human always has loyalty for the mohalla he was born in, his locality where he grew up, his city where his family lives, his state and his country.
How can a person, who was born and brought up in New York, or Delhi show love and loyalty towards Lahore. Its not normal.
i can produce similar or even worst stats of communal riots against certain ethnicity in Pakistan. Will that prove India a better country in comparison for those ethnicity? If you want to look at whether India is worst for muslims or not, tell me how many muslims migrated from india to Pakistan between 1960 to 1992, the same time when worst crime was happening against them.
I do not think the comparison is the issue here. :)
If Pakistan had roits, that does not mean India did not.
Moreover, neither the outward migration (efflux) is a measure of any country to be a bad country, nor Pakistan showed any acceptance of muslms fom India during those days.
To elaborate more, migration might not have happened due to fear of repurcussion on other family members, or not having means to migrate. Other factor may be that those muslims moved to a third country if they had the means available.
Since you guys are talking about Indian Muslims, here are my 2 cents. I used to live in Bhopal - the population there is like 50% muslim, 40% hindu, 10% others. I was there when the ayodhya riots took place. Really crazy times, police force from punjab had to be called as Sikhs were the neutral party. Late 90s, when there used to be cricket matches, a lot of Muslims used to support Pakistan, Muslim girls fawned over Pakistani cricketers, I have seen huge posters of them in their rooms. There must be more to their Pakistan love but they were no less Indian. I think that was more due to the Muslim-Muslim bond. But every year there used to be hindu, punjabi religious parades and it used to pass through the Muslim stronghold and every single shop owner there used to pay their respects. I am not a Muslim, but I remember the Eids and the sewaiyan that my friends used to bring us. In the end it boils down to economics. Everyone wants a decent life and a livelihood. Are Muslims discriminated against when they go for a job? My muslim friend got a job, I did not. He was smarter. The economic stature of Muslims wass similar to the average Indian, they ranged from very rich to very poor. Now I am not in India anymore, but my cousins are. My cousin used to study in Delhi and she used to tell me how many people from Kashmir were moving down from the valley to Delhi, Bangalore etc for better studies and jobs. When you don't have food in your stomach, religion doesn't matter that much. From what I read in books, Jinnah just wanted to be in power, creation of Pakistan gave him that. People in India cuss at Gandhi too for this.
Despite hindus being much more minority, if hindus were smart they got in to professional colleges, became later the head of department, and they had respect from colleagues and students alike.
Religion did not come in between them and holding the positions.
and this so secular India aor secualr countries what they have done to the world in last 100 years whole world knows
The question is not what Govt's of the world have done, the question is how are average people (muslims, hindus chirstians etc) living in those countries.
American policy may be questionable, but America attracts Muslims from all over the world. Muslims are living there and are happy living their and enjoying freedom that America provides.
Despite hindus being much more minority, if hindus were smart they got in to professional colleges, became later the head of department, and they had respect from colleagues and students alike.
Religion did not come in between them and holding the positions.
You are Pakistani and you know more about your country. I trust you on this.
But, what about jobs like Army, Air Force, Navy. Are hindus allowed to be Officers in one of the most important institutions of Pakistan?
Like in India Army , there are and have been Muslim Lt Generals (Just one rank below Army Chiefs), Maj Generals, etc
so the country that got separated in the name of Islam should become secular. so what was the point of separating from secular India then?
There were Hindu-Muslim issues but nothing that couldn't have been resolved - both communities were screwed by the British divide and rule. Both countries are still suffering because of a master tactic employed by a few 100 Brits so that can rule over the millions.
99% of both India and Pakistan problems disappear if we realize that, federate/reunite or otherwise come together.
99% of both India and Pakistan problems disappear if we realize that, federate/reunite or otherwise come together.
Thats BS in the purest form. Are you a member of RSS? Pakistan and India and Bangladesh are three different countries. We need to have good fences as Good fences make Good neighbors.