Actually the love you show for Pakistan and your unconcealed display of your patriotism on this "Pakistani" GS forum amuses me alot and am proud that Pakistani forum does tolerate all this. I know for sure ( i have experienced it myself many times) India forum would never allow some Pakistan to say anti Indian comments on their forum.
This is an open forum for all members.
Why do U fail to understand time after time after time after time :) that its NOT ok for Pakistan or any Islamic country to cause hardship to minorities!!! Who said its OK? If some nuts out of almost 2 billion Muslims said this does it make a law?
Atleast you and me agree on this one. Does Blasphemy Law ring a bell. Hope it does.
No one i mean no one even not India (and u know what is happening in India with minorities do i need to sum it up for you?) should minorities be marginalised, discriminated or be caused hardship.
For your information, I am a Christian living in India.
Its so easy to understand but u simply do not understand it because you are filled with anti Pakistani rhetoric and ideas. Its so sad, Please come of the dark room and think our of the box. Because sometimes its really boring to read ur comments try something new somethings freshening because u know what reply you will get and your comments will be proven nonsense. :)
I am not filled with anti-Pakistan rhetoric. It just pains me when pot calls the kettle black.
Yes it is an issue.But why is this not practiced in the Islamic countries. See you give something it is very essential that you expect something in return.
kia pratice nahi ho raha yahan pur. i havent seen ne sort of such restriction in pakistan even being an islamic state.
as blasphamy laws is concerned i m sorry to say simplyme that u always mix the mob reaction and law enacted in this regard.
Raj_Ind it is not a crime to operate on a tumor. Your analogy fails basic logic. Try again.
All than I meant to say is that U have to make little adjustments to achieve a bigger goal. Here checking radicalism is bigger goal and not allowing teachers to keep big beards is small adjustment. Provided it works.
All than I meant to say is that U have to make little adjustments to achieve a bigger goal. Here checking radicalism is** bigger goal** and not allowing teachers to keep big beards is small adjustment. Provided it works.
What? This is a fallacy of epic proportions. There is no scietific findings which explicitly shows that a man under the age of 50 with a beard is a threat to society. What we are witnessing in Tajikistan the enslavement on the part of the a small minority. Aggression against rights is aggression no matter what the establishment justifies it with.
as blasphamy laws is concerned i m sorry to say simplyme that u always mix the mob reaction and law enacted in this regard.
Excuses excuses... When will this ever end. So you are saying that Blashphemy law is better than this one. Good going. Nobody can ever match this kind of wisdom.
I dont see you getting so worked when worst forms of discrimination is happening in muslim countries. Maybe your mother taught you that it was OK as long it was a muslim country. A wrong happening anywhere is wrong, but to get so worked up when small adjustments are to be made is appalling and decries reason(which I believe is a problem that cannot be solved by this generation)...
And also your mother would be proud of the fact that you call people names... Good for you. Shows the kind of upbringing you would have.
I guess your failure to read and comprehend is based on the rose tinted glasses you wear. See unlike you I have denounced both acts. You have only denounced ones in muslim countries. Hypocrisy at its best.
As for this being a small issue, your failure to understand history and learn its lessons is appalling. Curtailing the right to basic freedoms is exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews. What the White South Africans did to the Black South Africans. And I will be damned if I don't raise a cry over this. Having seen first hand what the lack of basic freedoms leads to in Darfur, I will not go quietly into the good night.
Its a lack of perspective on your part regarding the chain reaction of such events and their political fall out that makes you this apathetic.
Oh yes Mom is very proud of me. I make sure to call out people for their open hypocrisy and biased attitudes against Islam. As I have said before, unlike you my morals don't change. I don't blow with the wind unlike yourself.
Let me explain something to you ****ing idiots your mother should have taught you at the age of two. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Just because one retarded muslim country does it does not make it right. Here is your problem. You lot are so blinded with your hatred you will sell your morals.
Not allowing the freedom to practice ones religion is abhorrent. Hell its just plain stupid. Its a shame you defend it.
Raj_Ind it is not a crime to operate on a tumor. Your analogy fails basic logic. Try again.
You don't condemn the Islamic countries loudly enough because you would rather make 70 excuses for their appalling behavior.
As a Muslim, you should be focused mainly on the limited lack of religious freedom in Muslim countries. Try starting with the blasphemy law in Pakistan for once, or the right to convert from Islam.
But hey, I'm sure you would support killing apostates, right? And here you are lecturing others about religious freedom, when Muslims support subjugating non-Muslims in their own countries. Give me a break you hypocrite.
kia pratice nahi ho raha yahan pur. i havent seen ne sort of such restriction in pakistan even being an islamic state.
as blasphamy laws is concerned i m sorry to say simplyme that u always mix the mob reaction and law enacted in this regard.
Christians are routinely persecuted in Pakistan and no Pakistani Muslim is brave enough to stand up to their persecution. Always crying about Palestine yet say nothing about the equally appalling behavior present in Pakistan.
I guess your failure to read and comprehend is based on the rose tinted glasses you wear. See unlike you I have denounced both acts. You have only denounced ones in muslim countries. Hypocrisy at its best.
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See the kind of discrimination that happens in some of the muslim countries and these ones. You cant compare apples and oranges.
As for this being a small issue, your failure to understand history and learn its lessons is appalling. Curtailing the right to basic freedoms is exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews. What the White South Africans did to the Black South Africans. And I will be damned if I don't raise a cry over this. Having seen first hand what the lack of basic freedoms leads to in Darfur, I will not go quietly into the good night.
From a perspective, it is good to get worked up when basic freedom is being curtailed. I dont see the kind of energy that is being put into this when other topics are being discussed. How many topics are there in this forum against discrimination in SA--- None. Why...
Oh yes Mom is very proud of me. I make sure to call out people for their open hypocrisy and biased attitudes against Islam. As I have said before, unlike you my morals don't change. I don't blow with the wind unlike yourself.
I understand. Good for you. As I mentioned in the previous post, change cannot happen by this generation alone.
Let me correct the thread's title. It is not secular extremism, secularism is extremism! When a bunch of people gathered to kick out religion from all walks of life, they in fact were the biggest extremists in the history of mankind!
Secularism in its nature is evil as it drives out religion and divine law especially Islamic law out of people's lives. What remains behind is Sarkozy like people, Belgian extremists, Turkish military and secular establishment, Pakistan's armed forces leadership and establishment, and all those puppets ruling the Muslim world.
Excuses excuses... When will this ever end. So you are saying that Blashphemy law is better than this one. Good going. Nobody can ever match this kind of wisdom.
simply me!
i m unable to understand y r u not able to comprehend the basic fact that blasphemy law does not interfere with the relegious belief of a non muslim nor it restrict to a person to practice its relegion.
what it simply restricts is to say nonesense about holy prophet and other prophets including christ.
neways this is not the topic ......... if u have nething to say plz post in thread relating to blasphemy.
Christians are routinely persecuted in Pakistan and no Pakistani Muslim is brave enough to stand up to their persecution. Always crying about Palestine yet say nothing about the equally appalling behavior present in Pakistan.
i think u havent followed the pakistani press properly. general public and even relegious scholars hasve severely condemn the "mob justice". even i have shared the interview of a scholar in thread relating to "blasphemy law".
but if that person has voilated that law he will have to face the criminal case.
You don't condemn the Islamic countries loudly enough because you would rather make 70 excuses for their appalling behavior.
As a Muslim, you should be focused mainly on the limited lack of religious freedom in Muslim countries. Try starting with the blasphemy law in Pakistan for once, or the right to convert from Islam.
But hey, I'm sure you would support killing apostates, right? And here you are lecturing others about religious freedom, when Muslims support subjugating non-Muslims in their own countries. Give me a break you hypocrite.
Yet you only condemn the ones by Muslims. Listening to you would be idiotic. Hypocrites should not be entertained.
As for Simplyme, typical. No condemnation of the abuse against Muslims. I have yet to see you say anything other than your hatred against Muslims. Additionally you are an idiot my dear friend. Basic human rights are universal. Shows how little you know, doesn't matter which country it is in. The concept is Universal.
As for not happening in on generation, I guess you didn't take any world histroy courses in middle school. History proves you wrong.
Yet you only condemn the ones by Muslims. Listening to you would be idiotic. Hypocrites should not be entertained.
When you dont have valid answers start abusing.
As for Simplyme, typical. No condemnation of the abuse against Muslims. I have yet to see you say anything other than your hatred against Muslims. Additionally you are an idiot my dear friend.
Name calling again my friend. This should make your mother proud.
Basic human rights are universal. Shows how little you know, doesn't matter which country it is in. The concept is Universal.
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Good that you know it. Why is it that this concept does not exist in any of the Islamic countries. Does being a muslim make you immune to these rules. Why is there no topic regarding the discrimination against minorities. You seem so worked up when minor infringements happen.
Let us take this. In US before 911 happened, security was so relaxed. You know what happened after 911. How the rules changed. How thousands were deported etc. This is just a cause and effect relationship. People in western countries when they go to the Islamic countries see the kind of discrimination that happens and when they come back they want to remove all traces of what they have seen back there. Isnt it just natural...
I understand you will start ranting about how minor infringements lead to big measures. If you look at it from an adult perspective(which I seriously doubt you ever can) you will begin to respect these measures.
i m unable to understand y r u not able to comprehend the basic fact that blasphemy law does not interfere with the relegious belief of a non muslim nor it restrict to a person to practice its relegion.
what it simply restricts is to say nonesense about holy prophet and other prophets including christ.
neways this is not the topic ......... if u have nething to say plz post in thread relating to blasphemy.
Blasphemy laws are Great...
Keep it up my dear friend. I dont know what you will come up with next.
Maybe Slavery is good if practised properly right.
Condemn the act first and then we continue the discussion. Still unwilling to show any moral back bone to support muslims. Now that shows your upbringing.
simply me … i cud not understand y u r so shy to discuss the real subject of the thread.
nwayz as u r harping on the same string … i wud try to explain it through a rather indirect example
blasphemy laws are great indeed … in my person opinion protection of relegious susceptibilty by state is most important personal right and shud not be offended.
following is the link to the jug suriya article in which he simply **doubted the existence of Ram from historical point of view (provided the fact that he is not first person who have raised this question) and it offended the follower of hindu relegion. **
there are around 550 comments on dat blog and u wud get the idea how ppl of ur own country were unhappy , frustrtated and disgrutle over it. interestingly the article does not say even a single negative remarks about RAM. still u will feel the heat …
go ahead and make legislation to protect and establish the true identity of RAM. who has stopped u.